MOA

[Dronepiper]

Yup around 57k for a first year Q400 FO (Assuming it passes).

What’s sad, and funny at the same time, is that’s more money than what a 1st year swoop FO makes on the 737. They only makes $54k

[Canadaflyer46]

Yup around 57k for a first year Q400 FO (Assuming it passes).

What’s sad, and funny at the same time, is that’s more money than what a 1st year swoop FO makes on the 737. They only makes $54k

But I suppose at least they get a spot on the Pilot Seniority List and can bid to mainline after 2 years.
Encore mgmt is yet to address the PTA issue as far as I’m aware. Not gonna be many people willing to go there now. Whatever the pay.

[averageatbest]

Yup around 57k for a first year Q400 FO (Assuming it passes).

What’s sad, and funny at the same time, is that’s more money than what a 1st year swoop FO makes on the 737. They only makes $54k

It's more than a first year 777 FO and RP make at AC.

[Canadaflyer46]

Yup around 57k for a first year Q400 FO (Assuming it passes).

What’s sad, and funny at the same time, is that’s more money than what a 1st year swoop FO makes on the 737. They only makes $54k

It's more than a first year 777 FO and RP make at AC.

Canada must be the only country in the world that has Year 1 FOs on a widebody making less than the senior FAs in the back.

[olivierw]

Results are in 82% of eligible pilots voted.

Of those 82% who voted, 82% voted in favour.

[flyinhigh]

Results are in 82% of eligible pilots voted.

Of those 82% who voted, 82% voted in favour.

Better results than the Flair deal. What's the new pay for all pilot's, anyone have a table?

[averageatbest]

Better results than the Flair deal. What's the new pay for all pilot's, anyone have a table?

[khedrei]

Misunderstood. Nevermind.

[kiaszceski]

I heard Encore pilots have airport standby now.
Was this negotiated with this MOA?

[averageatbest]

I heard Encore pilots have airport standby now.
Was this negotiated with this MOA?

There is no airport standby for pilots at Encore.

The only thing that is happening is that the company is getting creative outside the bounds of the contract and all agreements. The things that all pilots at Encore need to know are:

• You cannot have two duty periods in the same day (company/union agreement)
• You cannot have reserve after duty (CARs)
• You are required to be able to show up at your assigned base within two hours while on reserve (CBA)
• You are required to refuse any duty that violates the CARs (CARs)

If a YYZ pilot agrees to deadhead and hold reserve outside of YYZ, once you get off your deadhead, you must either already be assigned something within the 4 hour maximum duty extension (CBA) or be released and provided with a hotel. Holding reserve after deadheading is a violation of the CARs.

The company CANNOT force you to hold reserve anywhere other than your assigned base. You can be told to hold displacement reserve out of base, but must be assigned and actively on a pairing to be displaced off of.

[GIVCE!]

Sounds like management trying to get ‘creative’ over there ahead of the impeding strike action at WJ. Stand strong and know your contract to the letter.

[kiaszceski]

Sounds like management trying to get ‘creative’ over there ahead of the impeding strike action at WJ. Stand strong and know your contract to the letter.

Does it really matter to know the contract to the letter when Encore seems to have 200 grievances?

[Scubes76]

Is anyone willing to post what a typical 1st year FO would take home for pay? Somebody posted a full month pay stub in the WJ mainline forum which was really helpful, including per diems and all deductions including health insurance and taxes etc. Would be really helpful to know what an avg monthly pay would look like. I know the basic amounts being 52.51/hr x 77.5 mmg plus the 850 for the MOA, but am missing all the other info. Thanks!

[Me262]

Is it true that Encore is due for a new MOA by end of the year? And the payscale 3 start + 850 is just a stop go measure until then? And will Jazz's new MOA play any role into trying to match it (currently Jazz 65k vs 59k Encore)?

[dontcallmeshirley]

Is it true that Encore is due for a new MOA by end of the year? And the payscale 3 start + 850 is just a stop go measure until then? And will Jazz's new MOA play any role into trying to match it (currently Jazz 65k vs 59k Encore)?

Sort of. The MOA expires at the end of the year, but that was by design.

The collective agreement expires at the same time (December 31, 2023) and negotiations will likely cover the items covered by all MOAs.

As far as Jazz's MOA, that likely won't affect our negotiations as they got less pay and more work for the same pay. The pilots at Encore will not accept anything less than what we have now, and will likely not accept less than a sizable increase in wage and working conditions.

[Me262]

Is it true that Encore is due for a new MOA by end of the year? And the payscale 3 start + 850 is just a stop go measure until then? And will Jazz's new MOA play any role into trying to match it (currently Jazz 65k vs 59k Encore)?

Sort of. The MOA expires at the end of the year, but that was by design.

The collective agreement expires at the same time (December 31, 2023) and negotiations will likely cover the items covered by all MOAs.

As far as Jazz's MOA, that likely won't affect our negotiations as they got less pay and more work for the same pay. The pilots at Encore will not accept anything less than what we have now, and will likely not accept less than a sizable increase in wage and working conditions.

But right now an FO starts at level 3, $52 + 850/m 75 MMG, 57k yearly meanwhile Jazz starts at 65, 80 MMG, 65k yearly

I'm new to this but how is Jazz less pay for more work?