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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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Rowdy wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:09 am Someone likened it to a game of chicken.

AC management is the big old angry Moose, who is so used to being the one to win and bulldoze..

Unfortunately the industry and pilot groups are actually a speeding freight train.

Watch as more wild, bizarre and foolish tactics are used to manipulate the situation and the employee groups.
Oh we are definitely going to see some weird things. They are going to act like a cornered desperate animal.

But I think we are all fed up in Canada, and prepared to stand firm and resolute, and not be bullied into accepting a penny less than we are worth.
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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Rowdy wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:09 am Someone likened it to a game of chicken.

AC management is the big old angry Moose, who is so used to being the one to win and bulldoze..

Unfortunately the industry and pilot groups are actually a speeding freight train.

Watch as more wild, bizarre and foolish tactics are used to manipulate the situation and the employee groups.
THIS :!:

And it won't be limited to only a single airline's management clown show...grab the popcorn.
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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BeetleClock27 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:18 pm Has anyone who applied at the beginning of the year heard back yet?
Yes
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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Hiring 500 hr (or 250 hr) pilots at a carrier losing hundreds of CA per year is not a plan. Also, 1500 hr and and ink still wet ATP rating does not make a pilot ‘Captain qualified’ at a 705 carrier.

One only has to wonder how this is going to end.
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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rudder wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:13 am Hiring 500 hr (or 250 hr) pilots at a carrier losing hundreds of CA per year is not a plan. Also, 1500 hr and and ink still wet ATP rating does not make a pilot ‘Captain qualified’ at a 705 carrier.

One only has to wonder how this is going to end.
I just see desperation from management at every corner. There are lots of well qualified people in 703 and 704 ops, along with other airlines that would come over if the pay were better, and someone could map a career at Jazz. Not everyone wants to work for Air Canada. Not everyone needs to make over $300,000 grand. But people do expect to be compensated fairly, particularly in this market.

I think the sentiment in Canada amongst pilots is rather uniform, in that we are fed up being treated the way we are, and have been for 40 years. This sentiment isn't going to go away. The only way to increase the number of pilots in the pipeline long term, is to ensure we are fairly compensated, and treated properly, to once again make it an attractive career choice.

But it appears shrinking is more palpable option to management, over paying. Which of course just makes people more angry, bitter, and generally discourages people to apply. Because who wants to work for a company that thinks so little of an employee group that they choose to shrink over pay.

Everyday I wake up in shock at the situation.
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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Until this "path of least resistance" is eliminated via federal regulation with higher "entry to practice" requirements mandated it will be the "option" of choice by management in all cases.
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Re: New Hiring Minimums

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In order for a ‘regional’ (tier II Part 705) to meet staffing obligations (recruitment) minimum starting pay should be:

Year 1 CA $100k (2023)
Year 1 FO $ 65k (2023) (*ATPL pilots second year minimum 66.6% of corresponding CA pay)

And for a non-AC 705 carrier operating large NB (>100,000lbs) minimum starting pay should be:

Year 1 CA $150k (2023)
Year 1 FO $ 90k (2023) (*with second year minimum 66.6% of corresponding CA pay)

And for ‘retention’ purposes, pay progression will have to be significant (at least 50% at top scale) and on a reasonable timeline, not 18 years (Jazz).

There has been some small movement in this direction but not enough. Many carriers are still sitting on their hands continuing to believe that paying less than a TTC driver will be sufficient in an incredibly competitive market for finite pilot labour resources.

Finding a new pilot employee in 2023 is a challenge. Finding an experienced pilot who will not jump ship at the earliest superior economic offer is where the focus should be. Empty pockets and status quo will not achieve that objective.
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