bumping first class passengers for deadhead crew

[Crewbunk]

First of all, you were not booked in First Class. Air Canada hasn’t sold a First Class ticket in over 25 years. As well noted above, Captains, First Officers and Augment First Officers are contractually given a Business Class seat when DeadHeading. RPs in Economy, pending space in Business or Premium Economy upon departure.

RPs DH in economy? wtf?

Oh, you’re preaching to the choir!

F/A’s DH in Y too. But on a lower priority than the RP. It is often a cause of angst, (to them) that a new hire RP is placed in J before some veteran F/A. But in reality, it’s all done according to their respective Collective Agreements.

If the F/As truly thought sitting in J was so important, they’d negotiate it.

[iflygirl_92]

I love that everybody thinks I don’t know what I’m talking about. I know anything speculation underestimating me if amazing keep it up. i’ve been flying since 92 15000 hours later i see a change in the pilots, all entitled little bitches we were never like that
dude, I’m a captain too so don’t even think I don’t know what I’m talking about

[ZBBYLW]

First of all, you were not booked in First Class. Air Canada hasn’t sold a First Class ticket in over 25 years. As well noted above, Captains, First Officers and Augment First Officers are contractually given a Business Class seat when DeadHeading. RPs in Economy, pending space in Business or Premium Economy upon departure.

RPs DH in economy? wtf?

RPs are treated like second class citizens by both the company and the Union. They are listed for a j-class upgrade but if it's full they're in steerage.

[skyhighh]

I love that everybody thinks I don’t know what I’m talking about. I know anything speculation underestimating me if amazing keep it up. i’ve been flying since 92 15000 hours later i see a change in the pilots, all entitled little bitches we were never like that
dude, I’m a captain too so don’t even think I don’t know what I’m talking about

You must definitely be fun to fly with… Please tell us more about how pilots nowadays are “bitches”. All I hear is a grumpy old pilot upset because he got bumped from business by the company because they couldn’t plan things properly. That “Junior” FO… that bumped you is most likely doing his 10th+ deadhead of the month because of poor planning and I sure hope he got business class.
This is 100% the companies doing and your little tantrum is going nowhere because you’re “bitching” to the wrong group. If you want pilots to suck it up and help out they will gladly do so once they get an industry standard contract. Going above and beyond works when you are being treated right. Remember, take care of your people and they will take care of the business… Until that is done, you’ll be sent at the back because pilots will take full privilege offered in their contract because trust me the company is using ALL the loopholes possible to @#$! pilots around.

[iflygirl_92]

It’s pathetic to bump a paying passenger for a pilot to sit in J

you should be ashamed of yourself you take away an experience from a PAYING passenger like that
PATHETIC

[BingBong]

i’ve been flying since 92

From the sounds of it menopause isn’t treating you well

[iflygirl_92]

how do you even know I’m a girl I could be fucking pulling your leg as a guy that’s such a misogynistic comments you’re a little piece of shit

[Canpilot7]

Think a troll is getting fed here folks. Rule #1: never pay the toll

[TheAlcalde]

But she said she is a captain!

[altiplano]

Back of the bus, LOSER!

[Crewbunk]

This thread is very entertaining.

One person going off on a psychotic tangent, ranting and raving. The rest of us calmly amused trying to explain what was claimed to have happened, could have. An otherwise boring Tuesday morning.

[digits_]

Regardless of the (lack of) tact, she does have a point that the optics are terrible if you bump a paying passenger from a flight in order to accommodate an employee. There might be a vital reason why that employee is put on the plane, but that's not the paying passenger's problem. The optics are still not good if that's what happened.

[jpilot77]

Regardless of the (lack of) tact, she does have a point that the optics are terrible if you bump a paying passenger from a flight in order to accommodate an employee. There might be a vital reason why that employee is put on the plane, but that's not the paying passenger's problem. The optics are still not good if that's what happened.

Well that’s the company’s issue to solve not the individual pilot.

[iflygirl_92]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

[Hangry]

What would you know about professionalism?

[digits_]

Regardless of the (lack of) tact, she does have a point that the optics are terrible if you bump a paying passenger from a flight in order to accommodate an employee. There might be a vital reason why that employee is put on the plane, but that's not the paying passenger's problem. The optics are still not good if that's what happened.

Well that’s the company’s issue to solve not the individual pilot.

Also true. I'm not blaming the pilot.

[Transition9er2]

First of all, you were not booked in First Class. Air Canada hasn’t sold a First Class ticket in over 25 years. As well noted above, Captains, First Officers and Augment First Officers are contractually given a Business Class seat when DeadHeading. RPs in Economy, pending space in Business or Premium Economy upon departure.

Pairings are built 4 to 10 weeks in advance. If a pairing includes a DeadHead the seat is removed from inventory at that time. Never in my 30 odd years of overseeing Pairing Generation have I ever encountered an occasion where that far in advance, Business Class was full.

Understand, there are two levels of Business fares. The lower level is sometimes booked, but the higher flexible fare is always open that far in advance.

Air Canada never overbooks Business Class or Premium Economy. The only time there may be more J passengers than seats, is due to an equipment change. (The 28 seat J cabin substituting for 40 seat J cabin on the 777, or a 20 seat 787-8 for a 30 seat 787-9). However it is extremely unlikely that the DeadHeading pilots weren’t among the first booked.

The only occasion, therefore where a pilot may “bump” a J passenger is a last minute pairing change due to an irrop. Crew Scheduling though, will do everything in their power to not let that happen. Offering a cash payment to sit in Y or go the next day, supplying hotels and meals. But, bottom line is that on a flight of over 4 hours, like yours from the Caribbean, that pilot is entitled to that seat.

As noted on another thread, apparently we are the “lowest paid pilots on the earth”, we are not giving up another contractually granted “payment”.

I love all these assumptions yeah, maybe it wasn't a first class ticket sold but it was definitely a business class ticket
That's OK keep speculating, digging your own graves.
You look like a bunch of pathetic whiny, fucking bitches

BAAAHAHAHAHA

Wow, you’re amazing! Hahahaaha

With comments like yours, I think the only one that looks like a “pathetic whiny, fucking bitch” is you my dear!

Given your attitude and lack of professionalism, it sounds like you deserved to be dumped. Sometimes you don’t get everything you want. It’s called life.

[Transition9er2]

good one if I wanted my come back id t wipe it off your mom’s face

Just read this entire thread and my goodness maybe it’s time you put the phone down and walk away for a bit!

Not one person has responded to you in a similar way that you’re responding to the group. Yet you’re calling most ppl here quite aggressive names and making some wild accusations.

You’re making yourself look foolish by coming here with this attitude. Claiming to be a captain only adds to the craziness.

More often than not, this forum can provide reliable information. Your anger is misguided and you’ve handled yourself no different than a pissed off, immature teenager.

Good luck with your conquest. Looks like you’ll need it.

[skyhighh]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

So if pilots start doing that, the company will keep booking passengers instead of us and pilots will be expected to let their J to passengers again and again. It’s a benefit that was negotiated but also is very important to the pilot group as AC pilots deadhead a lot and not only for some small YUL-YYZ flights but oceanic too. It is not the responsibility of the pilot to fix the constant mistakes of the company. If you start helping, when does it end and how can we be taken seriously if we are unwilling to follow the contract negotiated by our own union?
If you take business and are bumped because of the crew, your beef is with the company, they oversold your ticket and it’s your right to complain and know the Air Passenger protection regulation. https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/air-passenger ... egulations .
WestJet pilots went above and beyond for over 2 decades and look where they are now…

[fish4life]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

If you travel 3 times a year you are pretty low status and that’s why you would have been bumped first.

[Crewbunk]

I’m trying to imagine what the OP considers “bumping”. If what is meant, is an actual pilot, in uniform, being escorted by an agent to the J cabin and removing a passenger and placing the pilot there instead, then yes, the optics are bad. Everyone knows they are bad and it’s why there are many many methods of exactly that not happening.

Because the optics are horrendous, I’m going to guess it happens no more than a couple times a year, if that. I’ve certainly never seen it.

Or, to you, is “bumping” simply asking at the gate to be upgraded, using FF status, miles, or a credit card and being denied, as J was full. Only to see upon boarding a pilot sitting there. That’s not being bumped, that’s just being entitled.

Odds are, that pilot’s PNR was made months in advance. Also, for the record, it’s not “free”. The cost of that J seat is paid out of the Flight Operations budget and is accounted.

Again I’m curious. And I ask again for dates and flight numbers. I can check to see exactly what happened.

[digits_]

A true professional will allow the passenger to hold his J class sheet and take hie seat in the back you guys fly all the time a paying pastor who reserved J in advance is may be traveling to three times a year max and does it for the experience and you’re mocking that person you guys really are shameful on it allowed that passenger to stay in J class and you go sit in the back

If you travel 3 times a year you are pretty low status and that’s why you would have been bumped first.

It does explain why so many pastors own private jets https://aerocorner.com/blog/american-pa ... vate-jets/

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[FL030]

Captain of the drink trolley maybe. A 65 year old service director from Calgary with a mouth like a sailor chuffed that new hire FO's get B1s.

[RippleRock]

This Ifly chick is clearly an angry FA whose lack of any "professional or licensed" designation, is making her bitter.

Sorry, your days of linking contract gains to "licensed" employee groups like pilots, dispatchers and AME's are ending. Don't take your resentment out on us. Go get a professional designation, a license, or perhaps more education of any sort. Then come back.

Right now you're just an uneducated, unaccredited, unlicensed ---self-entitled TROLL--- and no one thinks otherwise.