KA100 Bellylanding

snag · Post by **snag** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:43 pm

Just saw this one on the news. Worked out pretty well I think

Love the commentary as always, more aviation experts. No, I don't think those engines will be alright, and I like how the pilot takes his time to pull out the pax baggage.

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player. ... nding.affl

Schooner69 · Post by **Schooner69** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:12 pm

An outstanding job....I think the engines will be OK because they're Pratts, but the props will be a different story. I don't know whether individual unmarked blades are reusable or whether the whole propeller assembly is scrapped.

Bravo Zulu!

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:15 pm

Well, that looked pretty successful. Wonder how much runway was left.

EDIT: Those are Garretts, aren't they?

N2 · Post by N2 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:24 pm

See us older guys are good for something!

J31 · Post by **J31** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:34 pm

costermonger wrote:Well, that looked pretty successful. Wonder how much runway was left.

EDIT: Those are Garretts, aren't they?

Yes you are right....it must be a Garrett powered B100. Good eye

chief · Post by **chief** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:01 pm

Very nicely done. The best part about that is those garretts might be coming off the plane! Just like it should be.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:04 pm

That most definatley was a Garrett powered Beech B100. Notice how the pilot feathered both props before touch down. Although they are at a very low power setting, a Garrett is still turning at 100% RPM, in this case 2000 RPM and the prop will shatter and puncture the fuselage and anything in it's way. What amazed me is how far the thing slid on it's belly. In a classroom discussion, I have always claimed that no one dies in a proplerly executed gear uplanding with small airplanes. The only one that get hurt is when some idiot attempts to do something stupid. many have seen that video where a mechanic riding in the owners car pulled the main gear down of an Arrow. Dumb shit could have killed himself, the mechanic and the pilot. This is a cse where the pilot simply landed sans gear, sucessfully.

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:21 pm

B-100 for sure.

Wondering why he only used 'one-notch' of flap?? Any ideas??

G

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:55 pm

Ziggy did one of the same thing with a Bearskin -99 probably 14 years ago or so in YQT. Textbook landing after the nose wouldn't come down. Feathered both props on short final, they were Pratts, very little damage to the a/c, both engines were fine, no injuries.

A job well done then and again the other day!!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:43 am

why is the vid titled "plane attempts belly landing?"

My win player didn't work, but i'm guessing by your commentary he did do the belly landing..

So where does the attempt fit into all of this?

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:00 am

most king airs actually have the wheels protuding around 4-5 in from the wells similiar to the DC3, the brakes will work as well. with only partial flaps, and a faster approach speed, it is possible to get away without airframe damage.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:01 am

"Because airplane makes uneventful gear-up landing, all walk off plane safely" wouldn't get you to click on the link and see the commercial attached to the video.

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:10 am

You can't accomplish anything unless you attempt it...no?

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:15 am

obviously the vid isn't spectacular enough it has disappearesfrom the site

Spinner · Post by **Spinner** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:50 am

still there just have to wait for the commercial to end.

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:25 am

greenwich wrote: Wondering why he only used 'one-notch' of flap?? Any ideas??

I can't speak for B100s, but I had a belly landing in a Pa31. The reason I came in without flaps was the airplane's attitude. I was aiming at coming in nice and straight.

You can't slow down too much and come in nose up, so some speed has to be kept to ensure a flat approach over the runway. The gears being up will keep the a/c at least 25-30 Kts faster than usual and feathering the props can be tricky as it will provide the a/c with additional lift, if not compensated for, the plane will jump upwards 20 or 30ft.

I was amazed at how long this KA took to bleed off its speed. And he seemed to slide forever.

Good Job though!!

Redneck_pilot86 · Post by **Redneck_pilot86** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:29 am

Yea the vid is still there...he didnt have much runway left at all, the last taxiway you can see in the video is the last one there...looks to me like he landed on Runway 32. http://www.airnav.com/airport/FTY Not much room left at all.

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:18 pm

Very nicely done. The best part about that is those garretts might be coming off the plane! Just like it should be.

That's right. God forbid you go too fast. Put them back on an MU2. Those poor engines were feeling left behind.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:26 pm

Some King Air 100 and 200 with the high floatation gear, the mains stuck down a couple of inches. Not because of any braking action during a gear up landing but simply because the wheels were too big. Raisbeck has a kit out to fully enclose the wheels.

flyincanuck · Post by **flyincanuck** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:30 pm

Great landing!

Watched it live in the flight lounge.

We laughed though, that about five minutes after they landed (once they had a chance to take off ALL the luggage and close the 'hatch'), the fire dept decided to dump ALL the fome in world on the a/c. I mean you couldn't even see the plane after they were done.

I know there must have been a vast amount of heat generated on that landing, but dumping all the fome on the a/c 5 minutes after the fact was pretty funny.

Good job again!

CTV Newsnet commentaries were horrible.

Cargo Pilot · Post by **Cargo Pilot** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:22 pm

[quote]Wondering why he only used 'one-notch' of flap?? Any ideas??

Good call by the flight crew in my opinion. Unless you have to deal with a short landing area, why cause more damage than necessary?

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:04 am

Those Garrets are 10 times the engine the Pratts are!

(Yea - early Garrets weren't but these are later models.)

Those engines were stopped - and most likely have no damage to them. They are a fixed shaft and were at 0% RPM when he touched down. The shop will check the nose case and front bearing to see if there was any damage. Highly unlikely.

The props are most likely toast though. Funny how he didn't use much flap though.

chief · Post by **chief** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:36 am

boeingboy wrote:Those Garrets are 10 times the engine the Pratts are! (Yea - early Garrets weren't but these are later models.)

The props are most likely toast though.

LOL

If the props were damaged, the shaft will defintely be look at too. Just like a piston would be.

... · Post by **...** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:47 am

Wow...I saw it live. He didn't yaw it or Rolls it either! He Pickled that landing alright!

pelmet · Post by **pelmet** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:14 am

Saw it live. They appeared to float a long way down the runway and stopped very, very close to the end. I see on that Airnav site that the runway is only 4157 feet long. Not sure why that runway was chosen and not a longer one. I wonder if that is their maintenance base. Perhaps a longer runway would lead to a greater safety margin and prevented a near overrun. Nice centreline landing.