Company Morale

[Yolked]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

[Malfunction]

Flair has a open house coming up.. good luck. Make almost double and skip the soup.... oh and get to ac faster.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

Everyone is hiring. Look up rage quitting on google and fire off a couple dozen applications while parked next to a bottle of whiskey. It saved me.

[mmm...bacon]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

LOL you took the job, knowing the shitty wages and now you're whining about it?

[ellinas]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

Everyone is hiring. Look up rage quitting on google and fire off a couple dozen applications while parked next to a bottle of whiskey. It saved me.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

LOL you took the job, knowing the shitty wages and now you're whining about it?

A year ago, AC was still promising flow and wages were comparable across the board. Cut the kid a break.

[Yolked]

I'm just lucky I don't have a family to support. @#$! this shit

[Yolked]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

LOL you took the job, knowing the shitty wages and now you're whining about it?

This job is still an upgrade in pay from my previous 703

[Inverted2]

Well the cat is out of the bag about the flow from last year. 60% was really about 30% and I don’t think it’s going to get better this year. If they do 60% half the planes will end up getting parked.

[truedude]

Hi,

It is pretty clear that neither Air Canada nor Jazz actually care. They will just keep shrinking the Jazz operation, decreasing frequency, and claim it is all going according to plan.

Best thing to do is simply go elsewhere. If you have been here for less than a couple years, it is a no brainer. This place resembles more and more your typical 703/704 operator than a first class 705 operator.

And all the while Flair and Porter will keep picking up market share we abandon as a consequence, crewing their planes with pilots they hired from us.

Management is clearly living in an ultimate reality.

Even without flow being followed, we will be parking planes soon.

[Little Star]

If you pay attention to what's happening, Chorus doesn't really care about the CPA at this point. That's a guaranteed income stream from Air Canada till 2035. They are also in the process of selling the assets, i.e. aircraft. They want to become a service company and provide asset management services. There's no future in Jazz.

[Splash]

They will just keep shrinking the Jazz operation, decreasing frequency, and claim it is all going according to plan.

Maybe that is the plan?

[truedude]

They will just keep shrinking the Jazz operation, decreasing frequency, and claim it is all going according to plan.

Maybe that is the plan?

Giving up market share to competition, while simultaneously bleeding pilots to that competition, isn't a plan. It's incompetence. And there seems to be a lot of that at AC these days.

[kiaszceski]

They will just keep shrinking the Jazz operation, decreasing frequency, and claim it is all going according to plan.

Maybe that is the plan?

Giving up the market share to competition, while simultaneously bleeding pilots to that competition, isn't a plan. It's incompetence. And there seems to be a lot of that at AC these days.

Is it really losing market share? Aren't they just pulling out of the west to let Flair and WJ eat themselves, consolidate the East and come back once they have the manpower?
I would be more worried about Porter with the E2, they will have roughly the same routes as the 220.

Either way, things need to change, before July.

[Yolked]

Maybe that is the plan?

Giving up the market share to competition, while simultaneously bleeding pilots to that competition, isn't a plan. It's incompetence. And there seems to be a lot of that at AC these days.

Is it really losing market share? Aren't they just pulling out of the west to let Flair and WJ eat themselves, consolidate the East and come back once they have the manpower?
I would be more worried about Porter with the E2, they will have roughly the same routes as the 220.

Either way, things need to change, before July.

I heard Porter’s Q fleet is going to start operating out of YYZ. Between them and the E2, Jazz is in trouble. They can’t even get PPC’s and line checks done without the help of western captains coming over. Employees are leaving left and right for AC and anyone else who is paying more. It really is about the money, and Jazz is at the bottom with no light at the end of the tunnel.

[Man_in_the_sky]

If you are type rated on the Ejet and based in YYZ, there is zero logical reason to not leave Jazz, unless if you interview with mainline is completed already

NOT
A
SINGLE
REASON

[cdnavater]

If you are type rated on the Ejet and based in YYZ, there is zero logical reason to not leave Jazz, unless if you interview with mainline is completed already

NOT
A
SINGLE
REASON

Add, if you were hired after 2015 and I agree. Keep in mind, it’s still a start up and there is risks associated.

[CaptDukeNukem]

If you are type rated on the Ejet and based in YYZ, there is zero logical reason to not leave Jazz, unless if you interview with mainline is completed already

NOT
A
SINGLE
REASON

[kiaszceski]

If you are type rated on the Ejet and based in YYZ, there is zero logical reason to not leave Jazz, unless if you interview with mainline is completed already

NOT
A
SINGLE
REASON

Do you mean all Ejet pilots hired in YYZ in 2022/23 should go to Porter?

[averageatbest]

Everyone in my class was hired less than a year ago and many are already fed up. Anyone else sick of surviving on canned soup?

Encore is hiring. The shit stinks just the same, but the pay is barely livable... it's a huge step up from the Jazz priority queue at the food bank.

[canadian_aviator_4]

It’s difficult to say, but with the lack of progress in making any gains. Thing at jazz will only get worse before they improve.
The most we seem to get is a monthly or bimonthly email from the mec indicating that concerned parties are talking.
As 20-30 are hired monthly, 50-60 leave. So it’s a sinking ship at the moment.

[Inverted2]

If you are type rated on the Ejet and based in YYZ, there is zero logical reason to not leave Jazz, unless if you interview with mainline is completed already

NOT
A
SINGLE
REASON

Do you mean all Ejet pilots hired in YYZ in 2022/23 should go to Porter?

I would totally recommend it. If you get a few hundred PIC on the Jazz E175 Porter would likely take you aa DEC and you could be making pretty decent money in no time.

[rudder]

One of three things is happening:

1. One or more of the parties want the staffing related train wreck to happen, or

2. Unwillingness to develop and implement required remedies, or

3. Waiting for a multilateral solution

Depending on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist, opinion about which statement is more accurate will differ.

Regardless, there is an exodus happening. It is an existential problem that requires a timely response.

[Fanblade]

One of three things is happening:

1. One or more of the parties want the staffing related train wreck to happen, or

Entirely possible that AC may be looking for a breach of contract situation they could use to leverage chorus out. It was current AC management that chose to close down Sky and consolidate in Jazz. AC still requires a CPA provider.

2. Unwillingness to develop and implement required remedies, or

No one wants to pay. Management will exhaust all other possibilities first. A good example was managements request for unlimited domestic codeshare below 50 seats. But even this remedy was only a stop gap. It would have meant less revenue and likely a brand hit. AC still needs a CPA provider.

3. Waiting for a multilateral solution

Probably guaranteed. Multi party agreements are brutally slow and difficult. Four parties all competing to have their issues addressed without bending to the other three. Exodus aside management has already written off summer 2023 and won’t be concerned with staffing for summer 2024 for months. Is AC monitoring this properly or digging a hole? Either are possible. AC still needs a CPA provider.

Depending on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist, opinion about which statement is more accurate will differ.

Regardless, there is an exodus happening. It is an existential problem that requires a timely response.

Quote from the United MEC chair. Actually not true. I can’t possibly remember it exactly. But something like this.

“ We can’t make management do what they need to do. We can only make them wish they had”

We don’t run the business. We set rates.

AC still needs a CPA carrier.

[rudder]

AC still needs a CPA carrier.

True. But I don’t think it will look like the one that is there today.

I see no 50 seat jets. A domestic Q400 operation of perhaps 30-35 aircraft. A 76 seat jet fleet (J class config) of 25-45 aircraft. So that looks like an Express fleet of 55-80 aircraft. Current fleet 105.

I see a lot of current Express transborder capacity replaced by either or both UA codeshare and AC mainline metal. I see some domestic Express service replaced by mainline/Rouge, and smaller stations by some type of codeshare or sub-51 seat CPA.

The choke point is the pilot supply chain. AC is able to fill PIT classes. Jazz will struggle to do so in an environment of monumental Pilot attrition and poor entry level pay (that lasts 5 years).

There are solutions out there. Meanwhile, the clock is running and the damage will be done.