Missing Caravan

[onceacop]

Buddy of mine near Nipigon saying a Caravan freighter missing north of there?;

[onceacop]

Fort Hope? Hopefully there is good news

[enbt]

https://www.snnewswatch.com/local-news/ ... ne-6629206

Search efforts are continuing for a second day for a plane that has been reported overdue.

Joint Rescue Coordination Centre Trenton tweeted that a search is ongoing for a Cessna 208 plane that had been travelling between Nakina and Fort Hope on Tuesday.

The agency had said that efforts on Tuesday were affected by light snow and low clouds in the search area on Tuesday evening, but the weather conditions are expected to improve on Wednesday

[medi-whacked]

Would this aircraft not be ADS-B equipped?
At the very least the company should have tracking resources in board?

Hope the outcome is good.

[Dry Guy]

I don't think they'd be inside ADS-B coverage. If they had GPS tracking I don't think they would still be searching.

[karmutzen]

Anyone flying privately or commercially in the 21st century without Sat tracking is a fool. Sat-based ADSB in Canada provides pretty good tracking but lots of cheaper options too.

[Dry Guy]

There is a report from someone in Webequie that they saw a light that looked like a flare. If you are flying in that area today please be on the lookout.

[Bede]

Went missing Tuesday.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder- ... -1.6765206

[TeePeeCreeper]

Went missing Tuesday.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder- ... -1.6765206

Would you happen to know who’s 208 it was operated by?

[onceacop]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... tid=Nif5oz

[2112]

The old Nakina Air Service Caravans were bought a few years back and are run by Wilderness North now under the ZAM banner. I flew them a bit for NAS and the maintenance was top notch back then. Hoping for a positive outcome but 3 days is a long time in the elements.

[nbinont]

If they were ADS-B Out Diversity equipped, Spaced based ADS-B ( Aireon ) ought to have coverage able to track them. No idea if they were equipped though. Hoping for a positive outcome.

[The Barrel Man]

https://www.snnewswatch.com/local-news/ ... nd-6648893

[flyndad]

Sad outcome, RIP

[FL030]

My thoughts are with their colleagues, friends, and family members. What an awful thing.

Hopefully with the site being fairly close to a logging road there will be an investigation or recovery effort. Before the muskeg thaws, and before the blackflies and mosquitoes make it miserable.

[redlaser]

Several news outlets have now covered the story, the names of the two occupants of the aircraft have not been released, flying in northern Ontario in the winter has it's perils,

[karmutzen]

WTF is Maj. Emmanuelle Gratton, an Air Task Force Commander, talking about "not all aircraft have transmitters". Irresponsibly ambiguous for a SAR Commander.

Why is tracking so discouraged by the aviation authority in Canada? FWIW, all operators I fly for insist on it. Anyway, you doubters can see the result of trusting the TC mantra of an ELT and flight plan.

[cncpc]

WTF is Maj. Emmanuelle Gratton, an Air Task Force Commander, talking about "not all aircraft have transmitters". Irresponsibly ambiguous for a SAR Commander.

It is not a direct quote. The word choice was the reporter's. Major says transponder or ELT, reporter goes with "transmitter".

[Victory]

This aircraft obviously had a ELT and transponder. I don't understand why they felt they needed to bring that up. The problem is ELTs don't go off sometimes. Transponders only work inside appropriate coverage range.

[nutlord]

WTF is Maj. Emmanuelle Gratton, an Air Task Force Commander, talking about "not all aircraft have transmitters". Irresponsibly ambiguous for a SAR Commander.

I'm not sure what is wrong with the quote. It's recommended that aircraft carry ELTs, but not mandatory. It would have helped a lot in this crash, as it would have sent off a signal upon impact and provided a GPS position to the SAR assets to speed up their search massively.

[7ECA]

It's recommended that aircraft carry ELTs, but not mandatory.

You're incorrect. CAR 605.38 (1):

https://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/reg ... l#s-605.38

605.38 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no person shall operate an aircraft unless it is equipped with one or more ELTs in accordance with subsection (2).

Subsection 3 is as follows:

(3) An aircraft may be operated without an ELT on board if the aircraft

(a) is a glider, balloon, airship, ultra-light aeroplane or gyroplane;

(b) is registered under the laws of a contracting state or a state that is a party to an agreement entered into with Canada relating to interstate flying, is equipped with a serviceable emergency beacon that transmits on the 406 MHz frequency with a tested life of at least 24 hours and

(i) has a Class 1 or Class 2 Type Approval Certificate issued by the international search and rescue Cospas-Sarsat Council, and

(ii) is registered with the appropriate authority of the country identified in the coded message transmitted by the emergency beacon;

(c) is operated by the holder of a flight training unit operating certificate, engaged in flight training and operated within 25 nautical miles of the aerodrome of departure;

(d) is engaged in a flight test;

(e) is a new aircraft engaged in flight operations related to manufacture, preparation or delivery of the aircraft;

(f) is operated for the purpose of permitting a person to conduct a parachute descent within 25 nautical miles of the aerodrome of departure; or

(g) is operated in accordance with section 605.39.

The arguments for (and against) carrying an ELT are myriad and have been debated to death on this forum and others. Ultimately it comes down to relying on what is simply antiquated technology with a wholly unreliable activating device - a G-switch, that more often than not will not trigger an ELT in an accident. Often times in an accident sequence the deceleration forces are severe enough to break the retaining/restraining system holding the ELT in place, which if the ELT were to activate tends to render them unable to broadcast as the external antenna will be severed. You'd be lucky if an ELT was reliable in an accident 50% of the time, but the odds tend to be worse than that. It's still not worth leaving home without one, in addition to other trackers if available...

[medi-whacked]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder- ... -1.6768639

The article, as written, leads one to believe that one or more of the pilots, may have survived the accident. But succumbed with the delay in being located.

It should be mandatory that all commercial air raft have on board sat tracking.

The cost alone of this search would have paid for all Canadian aircraft to have them installed.

A sad outcome- maybe some good will come from this accident.

[Blueontop]

Any word on who the operator was? Reminds me of the Wasaya caravan that was lost in 2015.

[tsgarp]

WTF is Maj. Emmanuelle Gratton, an Air Task Force Commander, talking about "not all aircraft have transmitters". Irresponsibly ambiguous for a SAR Commander.

Why is tracking so discouraged by the aviation authority in Canada? FWIW, all operators I fly for insist on it. Anyway, you doubters can see the result of trusting the TC mantra of an ELT and flight plan.

Bear in mind that the Major’s words are coming to us through a reporter who likely knows next to nothing about aviation and a newspaper editor who knows even less. The Major may have been referring to the fact that a cargo aircraft can operate without an emergency locator transmitter and somewhere along the line the ‘emergency locator’ bit got dropped and we end up with what got printed.

From the regs:

605.39 (1) An aircraft that is required to be equipped with one or more ELTs under section 605.38 may be operated without a serviceable ELT if the operator

(a) repairs the ELT or removes it from the aircraft at the first aerodrome at which repairs or removal can be accomplished;

(b) on removal of the ELT, sends the ELT to a maintenance facility; and

(c) displays on a readily visible placard within the aircraft cockpit, until the ELT is replaced, a notice stating that the ELT has been removed and setting out the date of its removal.

(2) If an aircraft is required to have one ELT under section 605.38, the operator shall re-equip the aircraft with a serviceable ELT within

(a) 10 days after the date of removal, if the aircraft is operated under Subpart 4 or 5 of Part VII; or

(b) 30 days after the date of removal in the case of any other aircraft.

[flyinhigh]

Any word on who the operator was? Reminds me of the Wasaya caravan that was lost in 2015.

Former Nakna Air. Believe it is now Wilderness North that purchased it.