ground schools canceled

[highspeed]

April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

[slicktop]

I wonder how many applications WJ and AC have gotten from Flair pilots in the last few days.

[Mrs. Andry]

Is there any word on when we can expect to see a YHZ base?

[MAX8 Driver]

Any merit to this rumour?

All hiring and training: As in, Command Upgrade Training? Any base reductions?

Not a good time to upset those already awarded upgrades and not follow through. Likewise with shuffling bases. Moving is not cheap. I hope some management can weigh in on this via townhall or here.

[JakeLRS]

I'm no industry expert, but maybe flair will be restructuring going forward. I can't see leasing companies wanting to give flair aircraft given all the recent press.

They need to figure out how to restructure and keep the business afloat, and if that means halting expansion and rejigging their internal afairs, then thats what needs to happen. They just started getting brand recognition, which frankly has gone down the hole amid the press.

[Tbayer2021]

Flair's CP, who is usually quite active here "dispelling" rumours and such, has been awfully quiet since the first news of aircraft repossessions broke.

[Tbayer2021]

I guess every single one of those claiming FO pay didn't matter because they wouldn't be FOs for long are about learn a lesson the hard way. I honestly hope they survive, since them failing will help no one in this business, least of all themselves. But hopefully this is a lesson for all. Think a little further ahead than just tomorrow's paycheque.

[Sharklasers]

April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

What sadist is going to show up for that groundschool if they haven’t already left their current job.

[Mrs. Andry]

April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

What sadist is going to show up for that groundschool if they haven’t already left their current job.

Do you mean masochist?

[digits_]

April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

What sadist is going to show up for that groundschool if they haven’t already left their current job.

I was thinking the same thing. Likely a case of "we are cancelling ground school because we're pretty sure nobody will show anyway". Saves a tiny little bit of PR...

[Blueontop]

Flair's CP, who is usually quite active here "dispelling" rumours and such, has been awfully quiet since the first news of aircraft repossessions broke.

Ya where are ya tbaylx?

[cdnavater]

April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

What sadist is going to show up for that groundschool if they haven’t already left their current job.

April 3 is almost three weeks, probably time to rescind a resignation, if they weren’t waiting to give two weeks notice anyhow.
I don’t see how they get through this, honestly the CTA is already looking into the recent 777 bailout, who else would loan them money with no assets?

[MAX8 Driver]

To be fair, these guys (Flt Ops Management) were blind sided by this and completely unaware of what was about to unfold.

At least management is trying to give us some information. The MEC? Here's a hotline to call someone who cares. These guys need to go.

[BleedAirValve]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

[averageatbest]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Your reasonability will likely be ignored... it is AvCanada after all...

[MAX8 Driver]

BleedAIr Valve, exactly. The only leadership we as Flair pilots have seen thus far has been from Flight Ops. Not the CEO. Not the Union. Honesty and transparency is key.

[Tbayer2021]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Yes, the problem was that he was strongly refuting everything that was being said that turned out to be true. So he was either saying those things without knowing the truth, therefore discrediting him and his claims that he knew better. Or he was purposefully misguiding new hires and potential applicants. Given his track record in this industry, I wouldn't put it past him to say whatever he needed to get bums on seats even if he knew it was a very risky proposition.

[MAX8 Driver]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Yes, the problem was that he was strongly refuting everything that was being said that turned out to be true. So he was either saying those things without knowing the truth, therefore discrediting him and his claims that he knew better. Or he was purposefully misguiding new hires and potential applicants. Given his track record in this industry, I wouldn't put it past him to say whatever he needed to get bums on seats even if he knew it was a very risky proposition.

Well above his paygrade, and you know that.

[Tbayer2021]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Yes, the problem was that he was strongly refuting everything that was being said that turned out to be true. So he was either saying those things without knowing the truth, therefore discrediting him and his claims that he knew better. Or he was purposefully misguiding new hires and potential applicants. Given his track record in this industry, I wouldn't put it past him to say whatever he needed to get bums on seats even if he knew it was a very risky proposition.

Well above his paygrade, and you know that.

May have been. But if an incredulous individual is able to sound the alarm with incredible accuracy. I don't buy the argument that the CP was completely out of the loop in this matter.

[Fanblade]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Yes, the problem was that he was strongly refuting everything that was being said that turned out to be true. So he was either saying those things without knowing the truth, therefore discrediting him and his claims that he knew better. Or he was purposefully misguiding new hires and potential applicants. Given his track record in this industry, I wouldn't put it past him to say whatever he needed to get bums on seats even if he knew it was a very risky proposition.

Well above his paygrade, and you know that.

Absolutely correct.

Finance talks straight up the food chain. Flight Ops would not be privy. Deliberately so. In fact my gut tells me, based on listening to Flairs CEO, your Flight Ops department probable had a lot of smoke going up their behind.

[fish4life]

What is the union supposed to say?

[Tbayer2021]

What is the union supposed to say?

Imagine making excuses for management while simultaneously denouncing the union for lack of information. These guys couldn't be any deeper in the kool-aid if they tried.

[Vanguard]

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April 3rd is last ground school. Everyone else in hold pool.
All hiring and training on hold indefinitely.
For those outside looking in, stay put.
The ones already in, looks like they have a plan to stay afloat. Fingers crossed.

Flair management pilots already sharpening their resumes.

To the rest of the pilots, the industry is feeling for you. Airlines going under doesn’t benefit any of us. We feel for you, fly safe out there.

[Arnie Pye]

What is the union supposed to say?

Uh, how about Saturday afternoon sending out something like this:

"We have just received confirmation that 4 of our aircraft were repossessed. We only found out when you found out. At this time, we have no information to give you.
In the coming days we will meet with management to get further information and formulate a plan forward.
In the meantime, we don't want anyone to panic. We have received assurances that we will still be here on Monday. Here are some support numbers. blah, blah, blah.

PS There's a guy on AvCanada who will help you with career coaching and resume writing. "

[thepoors]

Wait a second people - we are forgetting one thing here. At least the CP had the decency to come on here and talk and answer questions about the hiring processes and environment at Flair. I think that says a lot about his/her character. With the current goings on and this pending lawsuit, I am sure they have been advised to not say too much.

Let’s not throw the person under the bus because they aren’t on here answering questions right now with all of this going on.

Oh boy the problem is he wasn't on here just answering questions, he was shilling. Sugar coating, lying, and worst of all putting lipstick on that pig of a contract with the now infamous "highest starting FO pay in the industry." That's why people were angered. He had a deflection or rebuttal for everything up until Friday.

And his number 2 @co-joe advocating for working without pay because he has such a great lifestyle and Flair could never fail. The silence now just goes to show how there was never anything backing all the rah-rah... #F50.

Like most here, I would like to see Flair come out of this and continue to drive competition in Canada. I feel for the guys who went there with promises of quick upgrades and the like. But hopefully this is a reality check for certain people in the company and the way they were going about it. You can only keep up the charades for so long.