Basically they review at least once a year what other operators are paying pilots to fly similar aircraft based on position and type. For example, narrow body captains (220, 737, 320) and use those figures to come up with new pay scales as required. So they “benchmark” multiple companies pay rates to come up with their own. E2 captains wages went up drastically just last month because of other operators increasing narrow body captain wages significantly. Unfortunately, the turboprop wages didn’t go up that much because other operators are still paying lower wages for their drivers. But basically, if other operators increase wages, typically porter will price match or very close.
They won’t ever pay the most but they certainly will never pay the least.
I dont see poter seriously revisiting your paycsales again for a long time.
What part of “annually” or “once a year” isn’t clicking for you? WJ 737 and AC 220 scales are both included in the E2 scale benchmark, which again, is benchmarked ANNUALLY, so if either of those scales go up, so does the E2. If Porter decided to not adjust its scales in a timely enough fashion then I’m sure there would be jet pilots leaving, which would be catastrophic for them, so I doubt that happens.
It’ll be interesting to see how their dash operation holds up through this expansion though, as apparently the attrition of Q skippers to big red is quite high and the last couple upgrade classes were cancelled. Not taking the initiative of leading Q operators for pay and instead benchmarking the scales that include the poverty likes of jazz and PAL I believe (in addition to your beloved encore of course) could come back to bite them.
Amazing how AC flat pay isn’t as much of a deterrent when you’re parents are still your landlord
Agreed. Easy to take on 4 years of crap pay when you’ve always been paid crap.
While the e2 scales are decent at the moment, I do think porter should jack up the Q4 rates to the highest in the country. Not benchmark it, but lead the scales. This will attract and secure lower time pilots to develop their experience and throw them into a jet after a couple years. Bums in seats is what airlines need right now, and those often go to the highest bidder.
I dont see poter seriously revisiting your paycsales again for a long time.
What part of “annually” or “once a year” isn’t clicking for you? WJ 737 and AC 220 scales are both included in the E2 scale benchmark, which again, is benchmarked ANNUALLY, so if either of those scales go up, so does the E2. If Porter decided to not adjust its scales in a timely enough fashion then I’m sure there would be jet pilots leaving, which would be catastrophic for them, so I doubt that happens.
It’ll be interesting to see how their dash operation holds up through this expansion though, as apparently the attrition of Q skippers to big red is quite high and the last couple upgrade classes were cancelled. Not taking the initiative of leading Q operators for pay and instead benchmarking the scales that include the poverty likes of jazz and PAL I believe (in addition to your beloved encore of course) could come back to bite them.
Amazing how AC flat pay isn’t as much of a deterrent when you’re parents are still your landlord
Agreed. Easy to take on 4 years of crap pay when you’ve always been paid crap.
While the e2 scales are decent at the moment, I do think porter should jack up the Q4 rates to the highest in the country. Not benchmark it, but lead the scales. This will attract and secure lower time pilots to develop their experience and throw them into a jet after a couple years. Bums in seats is what airlines need right now, and those often go to the highest bidder.
What would be a reasonable salary to have both the FOs and Captains start at? Would an increase be enough to keep them in their seats or will attrition happen regardless due to industry growth?
Dash is going to very soon become a training ground for the E2s. Low time pilots filter through the Dash to jump onto the international jet.
Tolip wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:01 pm
Well the way I am understanding this whole benchmark pay scales at porter is that.poter will only give a subpar match to the hard fought battles that are fought at other companies. Every raise that will come to the canadian aviation sector will only come though the blood sweat and tears of an organized union. The encore raise (our union got that for us. Flairs new contract (union). The much anticipated new WJ contract will be fought brutally by every WJ pilot on property... meanwhile then poter just copies and pastes that hard work and gives similar but lower wages for its pilots.. if not for the hard fought battlea that encore, flair, WJ, ,,AC are all fighting. Poter would never see a another "benchmark " pay adjustment.
Dramatic much? It's the same $%&! different colour. Stop talking like you've been bestowed with some great honour. Porter is the latest to help lift the industry up. You vote with your vote towards a CBA. Porter pilots vote with their feet. The whole thing is governed by the rules of supply and demand. "blood sweat and tears" that's the funniest thing I've read this week. Everyone needs to work together to improve it as a whole. Stop pointing fingers because the fingers can get pointed right back.
What part of “annually” or “once a year” isn’t clicking for you? WJ 737 and AC 220 scales are both included in the E2 scale benchmark, which again, is benchmarked ANNUALLY, so if either of those scales go up, so does the E2. If Porter decided to not adjust its scales in a timely enough fashion then I’m sure there would be jet pilots leaving, which would be catastrophic for them, so I doubt that happens.
It’ll be interesting to see how their dash operation holds up through this expansion though, as apparently the attrition of Q skippers to big red is quite high and the last couple upgrade classes were cancelled. Not taking the initiative of leading Q operators for pay and instead benchmarking the scales that include the poverty likes of jazz and PAL I believe (in addition to your beloved encore of course) could come back to bite them.
Amazing how AC flat pay isn’t as much of a deterrent when you’re parents are still your landlord
Agreed. Easy to take on 4 years of crap pay when you’ve always been paid crap.
While the e2 scales are decent at the moment, I do think porter should jack up the Q4 rates to the highest in the country. Not benchmark it, but lead the scales. This will attract and secure lower time pilots to develop their experience and throw them into a jet after a couple years. Bums in seats is what airlines need right now, and those often go to the highest bidder.
What would be a reasonable salary to have both the FOs and Captains start at? Would an increase be enough to keep them in their seats or will attrition happen regardless due to industry growth?
Dash is going to very soon become a training ground for the E2s. Low time pilots filter through the Dash to jump onto the international jet.
Hot take. All FOs at Porter should be on the same payscale.
Agreed. Easy to take on 4 years of crap pay when you’ve always been paid crap.
While the e2 scales are decent at the moment, I do think porter should jack up the Q4 rates to the highest in the country. Not benchmark it, but lead the scales. This will attract and secure lower time pilots to develop their experience and throw them into a jet after a couple years. Bums in seats is what airlines need right now, and those often go to the highest bidder.
What would be a reasonable salary to have both the FOs and Captains start at? Would an increase be enough to keep them in their seats or will attrition happen regardless due to industry growth?
Dash is going to very soon become a training ground for the E2s. Low time pilots filter through the Dash to jump onto the international jet.
Hot take. All FOs at Porter should be on the same payscale.
Yes. I’m with PRM. FOs should be same scale for sure. Captains on Q should probably be closer to $110 per hour to start. And I’ll put an asterisk on this….. that’s if porter wants to lead the way in Q4 pay and build some kind of flow to the jet. Theres’s some 703 operators in Manitoba paying up to $170k a year for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.
I agree that sounds like a completely reasonable/ achievable goal for the FOAG committee in upcoming meetings. FO’s are not necessarily of wildly different experience levels between the two and the Q captains shouldn’t start the same as a PC12 captain with only 1000-1200 hrs these days.
Tolip wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:01 pm
Well the way I am understanding this whole benchmark pay scales at porter is that.poter will only give a subpar match to the hard fought battles that are fought at other companies. Every raise that will come to the canadian aviation sector will only come though the blood sweat and tears of an organized union. The encore raise (our union got that for us. Flairs new contract (union). The much anticipated new WJ contract will be fought brutally by every WJ pilot on property... meanwhile then poter just copies and pastes that hard work and gives similar but lower wages for its pilots.. if not for the hard fought battlea that encore, flair, WJ, ,,AC are all fighting. Poter would never see an another "benchmark " pay adjustment.
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
Do Porter actually accept application for other base than YTZ on the Q, I've only found YTZ in the career section, or it's a general job list for all of the bases ?
BlackHawkOne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:40 am
Do Porter actually accept application for other base than YTZ on the Q, I've only found YTZ in the career section, or it's a general job list for all of the bases ?
Thanks guys
Believe there’s room at every base right now, just know that you’ll be on reserve MUCH longer at any of the out bases, especially YHZ and YQT.
BlackHawkOne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:40 am
Do Porter actually accept application for other base than YTZ on the Q, I've only found YTZ in the career section, or it's a general job list for all of the bases ?
Thanks guys
Good question. I believe right now is only YTZ. I know YHZ is fairly senior. I just looked at seniority list and the other bases are considerably smaller than YTZ for obvious reasons. However, the most junior FO at those bases isn’t too far off new hire seniority numbers.
This would be a great question to ask during an interview or let your interviewers know that very interested in a particular base.
If they offer you a job, you can always defer it for a while if you’re not ready. Also, don’t forget, there’s only one number that matters, and that’s seniority.
Tolip wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:01 pm
Well the way I am understanding this whole benchmark pay scales at porter is that.poter will only give a subpar match to the hard fought battles that are fought at other companies. Every raise that will come to the canadian aviation sector will only come though the blood sweat and tears of an organized union. The encore raise (our union got that for us. Flairs new contract (union). The much anticipated new WJ contract will be fought brutally by every WJ pilot on property... meanwhile then poter just copies and pastes that hard work and gives similar but lower wages for its pilots.. if not for the hard fought battlea that encore, flair, WJ, ,,AC are all fighting. Poter would never see an another "benchmark " pay adjustment.
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Tolip wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:01 pm
Well the way I am understanding this whole benchmark pay scales at porter is that.poter will only give a subpar match to the hard fought battles that are fought at other companies. Every raise that will come to the canadian aviation sector will only come though the blood sweat and tears of an organized union. The encore raise (our union got that for us. Flairs new contract (union). The much anticipated new WJ contract will be fought brutally by every WJ pilot on property... meanwhile then poter just copies and pastes that hard work and gives similar but lower wages for its pilots.. if not for the hard fought battlea that encore, flair, WJ, ,,AC are all fighting. Poter would never see an another "benchmark " pay adjustment.
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
Tolip wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:01 pm
Well the way I am understanding this whole benchmark pay scales at porter is that.poter will only give a subpar match to the hard fought battles that are fought at other companies. Every raise that will come to the canadian aviation sector will only come though the blood sweat and tears of an organized union. The encore raise (our union got that for us. Flairs new contract (union). The much anticipated new WJ contract will be fought brutally by every WJ pilot on property... meanwhile then poter just copies and pastes that hard work and gives similar but lower wages for its pilots.. if not for the hard fought battlea that encore, flair, WJ, ,,AC are all fighting. Poter would never see an another "benchmark " pay adjustment.
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Nah we good bruh… morale is good here. And benchmarking better than jazz rates. I’ll roll the dice on no union for at least a couple more years.
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
I am legitimately surprised there is someone from Encore who is still drinking the koolaid. There is not one person here who does not understand how the WJ payscale works, so trying to educate people about how amazing things are there compared to others is a waste of time.
I was at Encore myself, and got out as the company was in shambles and has gotten worse since. Is the job good, yes but it’s just like Jazz, Porter, etc. the behind the scenes, morale, etc have tanked and you know it.
Also, to think the new WJ CBA is going to be light years better than it was is not accurate which shows you don’t know how these things work. I really do hope it works out, but in the end WJ pilots and the company will each get abit of what each other wants (I.e, swoop work rules to the company versus YOS for pilots in round 1).
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
Assuming that was directed at me, I have not been called kiddo since early 70s, that being said let’s just see what happens down the road, I assure you I will remember this and be sure to tell you I warned you.
Thanks for answering the question about your scope protection, none! Got it, don’t be worried though, I am absolutely sure it will be fine!
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
Bahaha, ok that made me laugh pretty good.
So, Porter raises their pay before others! Got it, gotta remain competitive there boys and girls, good job!
He’s not wrong, Porter doesn’t raise their pay until a benchmark exercise shows them paying less, in effect other companies must raise their salaries for Porter to consider raising its own.
Why not set the bar instead of relying on others to pave the way, because you don’t have a proper union and the company will use that to its full advantage. They have you convinced, with good reason that you must be competitive or else.
The reality is Jazz was leading the way for regional pay at one point, the ramifications of that was the creation of two other undercutting airlines to put the downward pressure on.
You guys have an advantage though, your flying is your flying, I would get a union and a scope clause pretty soon though, if Porter sees a way to subcontract your flying to save a buck they will.
Under your current agreement, is there anything that would prevent them from subleasing half your fleet to another company with a contract to provide the flying?
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
Assuming that was directed at me, I have not been called kiddo since early 70s, that being said let’s just see what happens down the road, I assure you I will remember this and be sure to tell you I warned you.
Thanks for answering the question about your scope protection, none! Got it, don’t be worried though, I am absolutely sure it will be fine!
Just curious… honestly. What’s stopping AC from creating sky regional 2.0? They did it to jazz in the past with sky 1.0. Your protections are half assed arguments. AC knows how to dance their way around contracts. What if AC hired porter to do some work for them? Or lynx or even jetlines. Does jazz own the E175s… no. We could equally say I told you so down the road.
And sure AC has scope clause, but dude…The only protection the jazz contract you signed only protects the jazz flying. Not the “loss” of ac work. That’s covered under the CPA, which is a whole other story.
Cdnavater does raise a good point. Scope protection is important and it is naive to assume the company wouldnt try and pull the rug out from under us if it made a difference to the bottom line.
But I dont know if the current job market/pilot supply would make this easy/possible for them. Theyre already scraping the bottom of the barrel experience wise and still cant attract direct entry Dash Captains. I just dont think theres a supply of pilots willing to take the chance on a new whipsaw carrier.
I think Scope Protection, Accident protection, and Merger/Acquisition protection would all be valuable benefits that a union could provide us.
The benchmarking is fine. Will Porter ever lead the charge by being the top paying? Probably not. But we also wont be getting locked into contracts for 10+ years and will be somewhere in the mix to help apply pressure for others negotiating.
Awe he’s growing up and finally knows what benchmarking is while typing away pretending to be an expert in a porter thread! Proud of u kiddo
Assuming that was directed at me, I have not been called kiddo since early 70s, that being said let’s just see what happens down the road, I assure you I will remember this and be sure to tell you I warned you.
Thanks for answering the question about your scope protection, none! Got it, don’t be worried though, I am absolutely sure it will be fine!
Just curious… honestly. What’s stopping AC from creating sky regional 2.0? They did it to jazz in the past with sky 1.0. Your protections are half assed arguments. AC knows how to dance their way around contracts. What if AC hired porter to do some work for them? Or lynx or even jetlines. Does jazz own the E175s… no. We could equally say I told you so down the road.
And sure AC has scope clause, but dude…The only protection the jazz contract you signed only protects the jazz flying. Not the “loss” of ac work. That’s covered under the CPA, which is a whole other story.
Never say never, so I’ll say the current CPA restricts anyone else from flying 76 seat jet and 78 seat prop, the sub 50 seat is available for grabs, maybe Porter will grab that up. I wonder who they will benchmark for that, Pivot? Maybe EVAS?
braaap Braap wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:03 pm
Cdnavater does raise a good point. Scope protection is important and it is naive to assume the company wouldnt try and pull the rug out from under us if it made a difference to the bottom line.
But I dont know if the current job market/pilot supply would make this easy/possible for them. Theyre already scraping the bottom of the barrel experience wise and still cant attract direct entry Dash Captains. I just dont think theres a supply of pilots willing to take the chance on a new whipsaw carrier.
I think Scope Protection, Accident protection, and Merger/Acquisition protection would all be valuable benefits that a union could provide us.
The benchmarking is fine. Will Porter ever lead the charge by being the top paying? Probably not. But we also wont be getting locked into contracts for 10+ years and will be somewhere in the mix to help apply pressure for others negotiating.
That’s all I was getting at but CaptDuke got his big boy undies all up in a bunch
braaap Braap wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:03 pm
Cdnavater does raise a good point. Scope protection is important and it is naive to assume the company wouldnt try and pull the rug out from under us if it made a difference to the bottom line.
But I dont know if the current job market/pilot supply would make this easy/possible for them. Theyre already scraping the bottom of the barrel experience wise and still cant attract direct entry Dash Captains. I just dont think theres a supply of pilots willing to take the chance on a new whipsaw carrier.
I think Scope Protection, Accident protection, and Merger/Acquisition protection would all be valuable benefits that a union could provide us.
The benchmarking is fine. Will Porter ever lead the charge by being the top paying? Probably not. But we also wont be getting locked into contracts for 10+ years and will be somewhere in the mix to help apply pressure for others negotiating.
That’s all I was getting at but CaptDuke got his big boy undies all up in a bunch
Lol. Dude. My big boy undies? You’re the one who quoted a post from a month ago to get this ridiculousness going again.
