Negotiations

[Malfunction]

So anyone got any news to update?

[rudder]

So anyone got any news to update?

Anybody who works at Jazz already know the answer to that question….. nada. Nil. Nothing.

Status quo.

[canadian_aviator_4]

And jazz wonders why they have staffing issues?

[Inverted2]

*Update*. We are getting full size iPads and gender neutral uniforms. That is all.

[kiaszceski]

So anyone got any news to update?

Anybody who works at Jazz already know the answer to that question….. nada. Nil. Nothing.

Status quo.

No news is good news, isn’t

[capt_Z]

So anyone got any news to update?

What kind of updates you are looking for?

[CaptDukeNukem]

So anyone got any news to update?

What kind of updates you are looking for?

I suspect pay raises

[cdnavater]

So anyone got any news to update?

What kind of updates you are looking for?

I suspect pay raises

I heard all pilots who are staying put are getting a huge raise, pilots who put their names on the portal get nothing, just a promise to maybe someday get an interview and possibly, maybe, so you’re saying there’s a chance, a job at AC.
There are rumours floating around about parking the 200s this summer, might be able to staff the rest of the fleet if that’s the case.
But seriously, it’s been too long without some information, good or bad some kind of update would be nice.

[CaptDukeNukem]

What kind of updates you are looking for?

I suspect pay raises

I heard all pilots who are staying put are getting a huge raise, pilots who put their names on the portal get nothing, just a promise to maybe someday get an interview and possibly, maybe, so you’re saying there’s a chance, a job at AC.
There are rumours floating around about parking the 200s this summer, might be able to staff the rest of the fleet if that’s the case.
But seriously, it’s been too long without some information, good or bad some kind of update would be nice.

This sounds like a grievance nightmare.

And for sure the 200s will get parked.

[cdnavater]

I suspect pay raises

I heard all pilots who are staying put are getting a huge raise, pilots who put their names on the portal get nothing, just a promise to maybe someday get an interview and possibly, maybe, so you’re saying there’s a chance, a job at AC.
There are rumours floating around about parking the 200s this summer, might be able to staff the rest of the fleet if that’s the case.
But seriously, it’s been too long without some information, good or bad some kind of update would be nice.

This sounds like a grievance nightmare.

And for sure the 200s will get parked.

Yes, I agree, it makes sense to park those.

[pirep]

As long as there is an endless stream of pilots willing to join Jazz so they can post on social media that they are proud to fly the flag, ain't going to help negotiations.

[truedude]

As long as there is an endless stream of pilots willing to join Jazz so they can post on social media that they are proud to fly the flag, ain't going to help negotiations.

That's why we reduced our flying by 14% for this summer. They are on trouble and they know it. And we make them eat that 2035 year contract until they are prepared to pay a lot more.

[canadian_aviator_4]

As long as there is an endless stream of pilots willing to join Jazz so they can post on social media that they are proud to fly the flag, ain't going to help negotiations.

That's why we reduced our flying by 14% for this summer. They are on trouble and they know it. And we make them eat that 2035 year contract until they are prepared to pay a lot more.

We may make them eat a 2035 contract however they are playing right back at us, choosing to stop and start AC hiring as they please.

[Last Flight Out]

It’s a no brainer for anyone at Jazz especially those jr upgrades on the Embraer…

Upgrade on the ERJ get a couple hundred hours PIC and slide on over to Porter. You will go from $90000 to $160000 overnight !!!!!

With 10 years seniority at Jazz, best move I ever made.

Never wanted to fly for the red team just ended up at Jazz by accident.

Air Canada

[cdnavater]

It’s a no brainer for anyone at Jazz especially those jr upgrades on the Embraer…

Upgrade on the ERJ get a couple hundred hours PIC and slide on over to Porter. You will go from $90000 to $160000 overnight !!!!!

With 10 years seniority at Jazz, best move I ever made.

Never wanted to fly for the red team just ended up at Jazz by accident.

Air Canada

Awesome, good job!
I wish more would do that, some are still hanging on for that AC flat pay, crazy hey?

[Bl33zrd]

Word from maintenance: 8 crj 200s gone at the end of the year.

[Inverted2]

I heard sooner than the end of the year.

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s a no brainer for anyone at Jazz especially those jr upgrades on the Embraer…

Upgrade on the ERJ get a couple hundred hours PIC and slide on over to Porter. You will go from $90000 to $160000 overnight !!!!!

With 10 years seniority at Jazz, best move I ever made.

Never wanted to fly for the red team just ended up at Jazz by accident.

Air Canada

You’ll break 200k a year if you do a day or two of OT per month. There’s day turns worth 8+ credits. At $240 per hour OT, that’s a couple thousand just to show up and admire the Canadian landscape from FL400

[Nick678]

Hopefully west coast base soon

[Malfunction]

If they opened a yyc base... bye bye jazz

[Duke86]

If they opened a yyc base... bye bye jazz

100%

[cdnavater]

If they opened a yyc base... bye bye jazz

Do you mean to say you would say bye bye to Jazz or Jazz going bye bye?
I ask because YYC is the smallest most senior base, so I can’t see too many jumping ship for a start up operation.
Maybe some more junior who are waiting for a YYC base

[Nick678]

Senior pilots in YYC could jump on a ERP and head over, company would be happy to see those DB pensions go. Most juniors are trying to go to AC and at this rate it would be faster to go to Porter and apply OTS than wait your turn at jazz.

How many jazz in the AC march 22 class anyone?

I doubt 60% and I also doubt 40….

[rudder]

This is starting to look like a conversation about how to keep the horse in the barn…….AFTER the horse left the barn.


Chairman's Message - March 2023 Update

Fellow Pilots,

In my February update I advised of a four-party discussion that took place between Air Canada, Jazz, ACPA and the JAZ MEC. Again, the purpose of that meeting was a shared concern by ACPA and the JAZ MEC regarding Air Canada’s ability to increase revenue and grow market share in our ever-evolving industry.

The problems which precipitated that meeting continue to escalate as Jazz is experiencing a high level of Pilot attrition. This is a very different situation from when we were bargaining last fall, when Pilot attrition did not yet play a major role in the Company’s motivations. This has prompted the Company to reach out and reconvene discussions with us directly – outside and in addition to the four-party initiative.

In March we held two meetings with Jazz senior executives. These discussions were conceptually focused on being able to generate more block hours for Air Canada. Pilot compensation is a major component of those discussions. We have further meetings planned next week.

Violations related to Pilot Movement to Air Canada continues to be a serious concern. We recently learned that Air Canada was reducing Jazz hiring from 40 Pilots per month to 20. As we know, the 60% requirement is annual, and a reduction of monthly hiring is not itself a violation. However, this decision amplifies harm as the 2022 deficit remains unresolved while additional OTS hiring continues - adding insult to injury. Additionally, if 2022 is any indication, we question that Air Canada will respect their obligations by the end of 2023.

Until now the MEC’s preference has been to achieve a negotiated resolution. This remains the case, however, with Air Canada’s recent decision to further reduce Jazz Pilot hiring, the MEC met last week and has decided to concurrently invoke our Collective Agreement grievance/arbitration process. There will be a further communication from the MEC on this topic shortly.

Finally, while we are reentering a two-party negotiation with our Company, and hope to make changes to our Collective Agreement, I still believe that a four-party initiative is required to address some of our mutual goals. In the end, it is in our best interest for Air Canada to be a strong and viable enterprise – something we remain fully committed to.

In solidarity,

Claude

[a2btrail]

This is starting to look like a conversation about how to keep the horse in the barn…….AFTER the horse left the barn.


Chairman's Message - March 2023 Update

Fellow Pilots,

In my February update I advised of a four-party discussion that took place between Air Canada, Jazz, ACPA and the JAZ MEC. Again, the purpose of that meeting was a shared concern by ACPA and the JAZ MEC regarding Air Canada’s ability to increase revenue and grow market share in our ever-evolving industry.

The problems which precipitated that meeting continue to escalate as Jazz is experiencing a high level of Pilot attrition. This is a very different situation from when we were bargaining last fall, when Pilot attrition did not yet play a major role in the Company’s motivations. This has prompted the Company to reach out and reconvene discussions with us directly – outside and in addition to the four-party initiative.

In March we held two meetings with Jazz senior executives. These discussions were conceptually focused on being able to generate more block hours for Air Canada. Pilot compensation is a major component of those discussions. We have further meetings planned next week.

Violations related to Pilot Movement to Air Canada continues to be a serious concern. We recently learned that Air Canada was reducing Jazz hiring from 40 Pilots per month to 20. As we know, the 60% requirement is annual, and a reduction of monthly hiring is not itself a violation. However, this decision amplifies harm as the 2022 deficit remains unresolved while additional OTS hiring continues - adding insult to injury. Additionally, if 2022 is any indication, we question that Air Canada will respect their obligations by the end of 2023.

Until now the MEC’s preference has been to achieve a negotiated resolution. This remains the case, however, with Air Canada’s recent decision to further reduce Jazz Pilot hiring, the MEC met last week and has decided to concurrently invoke our Collective Agreement grievance/arbitration process. There will be a further communication from the MEC on this topic shortly.

Finally, while we are reentering a two-party negotiation with our Company, and hope to make changes to our Collective Agreement, I still believe that a four-party initiative is required to address some of our mutual goals. In the end, it is in our best interest for Air Canada to be a strong and viable enterprise – something we remain fully committed to.

In solidarity,

Claude

LOL yep.