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Re: ground schools canceled

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tbaylx wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:40 am
cdnavater wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:56 am
MAX8 Driver wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:59 pm

Give it a rest. Hiring and attrition will literally come out in the wash. The majority are staying put, but there will be a continuation of hiring. Carry on.
Did tbaylx say or not say that April 3 ground school will be the last until 2024, therefore one could surmise that any hiring after April 3 is due to attrition?
Any hiring after Apr 3rd will be due to attrition unless aircraft come in the fall. That seems obvious if we aren’t getting any more aircraft this year other than the 5 we’ve already planned for.

Latest bid that just went out provided 15 more Captain upgrades
What about all candidates that attended WalkIns. Will be updated about the outcome? Negative or positive. And If positive will be placed in a pool?
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capt_Z wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:36 pm
tbaylx wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:40 am
cdnavater wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:56 am

Did tbaylx say or not say that April 3 ground school will be the last until 2024, therefore one could surmise that any hiring after April 3 is due to attrition?
Any hiring after Apr 3rd will be due to attrition unless aircraft come in the fall. That seems obvious if we aren’t getting any more aircraft this year other than the 5 we’ve already planned for.

Latest bid that just went out provided 15 more Captain upgrades
What about all candidates that attended WalkIns. Will be updated about the outcome? Negative or positive. And If positive will be placed in a pool?
ALl candidates who are interviewed will be contacted with the results and successful candidates will be pooled
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tbaylx wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:02 pm
capt_Z wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:36 pm
tbaylx wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:40 am

Any hiring after Apr 3rd will be due to attrition unless aircraft come in the fall. That seems obvious if we aren’t getting any more aircraft this year other than the 5 we’ve already planned for.

Latest bid that just went out provided 15 more Captain upgrades
What about all candidates that attended WalkIns. Will be updated about the outcome? Negative or positive. And If positive will be placed in a pool?
ALl candidates who are interviewed will be contacted with the results and successful candidates will be pooled
Once GS dates resume, will pool candidates be called base on the date they Interviewed?
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tbaylx wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:02 pm
capt_Z wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:36 pm
tbaylx wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:40 am

Any hiring after Apr 3rd will be due to attrition unless aircraft come in the fall. That seems obvious if we aren’t getting any more aircraft this year other than the 5 we’ve already planned for.

Latest bid that just went out provided 15 more Captain upgrades
What about all candidates that attended WalkIns. Will be updated about the outcome? Negative or positive. And If positive will be placed in a pool?
ALl candidates who are interviewed will be contacted with the results and successful candidates will be pooled
Now that 4 aircraft are repossesed, will hiring and GS resume as it was planned or still stays suspended until 2024?
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I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
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CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
Wow, between that and FOs from Flair in the April 5 AC course, I would think there will be more course before 2024, if not that speaks volumes about the health of the company.
I’m not sure I would jump ship to another start up but they must’ve been spooked enough to risk it.
Edited out the part about Porter, I read it as forward March onward, re-read and it was March only
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cdnavater wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:36 pm Porter pulling back 25% of the summer schedule too, seems the market has hit it’s peak, I’m not sure I would jump ship to another start up but they must’ve been spooked enough to risk it.
Where did you hear the 25%? The only slow down is due to crew training with Porter.
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flyinhigh wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:50 pm
cdnavater wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:36 pm Porter pulling back 25% of the summer schedule too, seems the market has hit it’s peak, I’m not sure I would jump ship to another start up but they must’ve been spooked enough to risk it.
Where did you hear the 25%? The only slow down is due to crew training with Porter.
https://dailyhive.com/canada/porter-air ... -expansion
Out of Porter’s planned 253 flights departing from Toronto Pearson International Airport, 56 were cancelled, indicating there might be some difficulties keeping up with objectives.
That's a 22% cancellation rate.
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CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
I heard that from a friend at Lynx, I wish them the best, and hope they made the right decision for themselves and their families. I don't know any of them but I'd say Lynx lucked out and got 4 great well trained people. Good for them.

How many went to WestJet?
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co-joe wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:43 pm
CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
I heard that from a friend at Lynx, I wish them the best, and hope they made the right decision for themselves and their families. I don't know any of them but I'd say Lynx lucked out and got 4 great well trained people. Good for them.

How many went to WestJet?
Let me fill you in. WestJet has no respect for Flair or anyone who has worked there. Management is still upset that Flair was able to attract dozens of WestJet pilots by offering better pay and tangible promise for career progression.
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co-joe wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:36 pm
https://dailyhive.com/canada/porter-air ... -expansion
Out of Porter’s planned 253 flights departing from Toronto Pearson International Airport, 56 were cancelled, indicating there might be some difficulties keeping up with objectives.
That's a 22% cancellation rate.
Cancellation is different than a reduction in schedule. With all pilots in training, there is bound to be cancellations unfortunately but after April is over things will improve drastically.
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flyinhigh wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:05 pm
co-joe wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:36 pm
https://dailyhive.com/canada/porter-air ... -expansion
Out of Porter’s planned 253 flights departing from Toronto Pearson International Airport, 56 were cancelled, indicating there might be some difficulties keeping up with objectives.
That's a 22% cancellation rate.
Cancellation is different than a reduction in schedule. With all pilots in training, there is bound to be cancellations unfortunately but after April is over things will improve drastically.
Correct me if I’m wrong, even though I know I’m not, if they sold seats on a flight and reduce the schedule removing some 22% of the planned flights, are they not considered cancelled?
The passengers who booked those flights might argue, given they are entitled to cancellation protection under the CTA rules
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CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
That is untrue unless they are still employed by Flair at the same time. We have had only one pilot ( a captain) resign and go to Lynx since Jan 2022 and that was as an immediate reaction to the lease issue a few weeks ago,
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Looking at the summer schedule, it looks like a new aircraft type will be running some route pairings.
Is flair wet/dry leasing one of Jetlines' A320's?
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JakeLRS wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:06 pm Looking at the summer schedule, it looks like a new aircraft type will be running some route pairings.
Is flair wet/dry leasing one of Jetlines' A320's?
Sources? Not that I doubt you. But this is popcorn worthy.
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I got to admit I am impressed they are still flying. Did not expect that at all!
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JakeLRS wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:06 pm Looking at the summer schedule, it looks like a new aircraft type will be running some route pairings.
Is flair wet/dry leasing one of Jetlines' A320's?
Yes, the company has opted to wet lease in order not to cancel flights. Not an easy task replacing 4 planes on short notice.
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the_new_guy wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:00 am
JakeLRS wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:06 pm Looking at the summer schedule, it looks like a new aircraft type will be running some route pairings.
Is flair wet/dry leasing one of Jetlines' A320's?
Yes, the company has opted to wet lease in order not to cancel flights. Not an easy task replacing 4 planes on short notice.
A situation of their own making!
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averageatbest wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:57 am
co-joe wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:43 pm
CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
I heard that from a friend at Lynx, I wish them the best, and hope they made the right decision for themselves and their families. I don't know any of them but I'd say Lynx lucked out and got 4 great well trained people. Good for them.

How many went to WestJet?
Let me fill you in. WestJet has no respect for Flair or anyone who has worked there. Management is still upset that Flair was able to attract dozens of WestJet pilots by offering better pay and tangible promise for career progression.
:lol: WJ is always so butthurt over Flair it's actually quite amusing and sad lol
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tbaylx wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:31 pm
CAP12000 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:44 pm I was just in the latest Lynx Ground School course. Out of the 10 candidates, four were Flair Captains.
That is untrue unless they are still employed by Flair at the same time. We have had only one pilot ( a captain) resign and go to Lynx since Jan 2022 and that was as an immediate reaction to the lease issue a few weeks ago,
So Tbaylx, Are you suggesting these 4 people did not get hired by Lynx? Or did they lie about their qualifications and work history? What part is untrue about that statement? Pretty sure there are indeed more people than you care to admit jumping ship maybe?
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