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American Airlines, one of the world’s largest airlines, has announced plans to pay its pilots up to $590,000 per year.

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the_strange__r wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:07 pm DOUBLE WHAT ACA CAPTAIN MAKES
https://airlinergs.com/american-airline ... 20shortage.
The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?
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Conflicting Traffic wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:40 pm
the_strange__r wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:07 pm DOUBLE WHAT ACA CAPTAIN MAKES
https://airlinergs.com/american-airline ... 20shortage.
The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?

Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
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boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Conflicting Traffic wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:40 pm
the_strange__r wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:07 pm DOUBLE WHAT ACA CAPTAIN MAKES
https://airlinergs.com/american-airline ... 20shortage.
The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?

Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
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newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
Or we just live in a completely different country.
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newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Conflicting Traffic wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:40 pm The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?

Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
Like we aren't competing for the same passengers from Delta, American, and United. :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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If I was an AA pilot I'd be quite happy to get a new contract that United ALPA negotiated for me, but I'd be asking myself what's the point of paying dues to APA then?
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PilotZum wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:44 am
newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm


Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
Like we aren't competing for the same passengers from Delta, American, and United. :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
The Americans would be too traumatized if they had to go on an unrecognized brand, or heard a French announcement!
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https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/amer ... rike-vote/
FORT WORTH (CBSNewsTexas.com) - The union that represents American Airlines pilots announced Thursday it has authorized a strike vote against the Fort Worth-based carrier.

The news from the Allied Pilots Association comes even as American Airlines CEO Robert Isom announced Tuesday the airline was prepared to match Delta Airlines' recent wage hikes and provide the same profit-sharing formula
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the_strange__r wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:07 pm DOUBLE WHAT ACA CAPTAIN MAKES
https://airlinergs.com/american-airline ... 20shortage.
Waaayyyyy more than double. Do the math on the effective tax rates between Ontario/Quebec and Florida or Texas. Don't forget sales tax, afterall, we make money to spend it at some point. Even throw in a $600/month (generous estimate) health insurance premium for a family to make it Granny Smith to Red Delicious.

Won't take long to realize it's a heck of a lot more take home money. Don't forget the 16% 401k direct contribution.....with no match required.
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I wonder if Steven Jones from Flair is trying to use pilot wages as a tactic on better lease rates :smt040

I’m sorry, our pilots make to much so we can only pay you 50K a month and it will most likely be overdue.
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newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Conflicting Traffic wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:40 pm
The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?

Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
Also Calin:

"This agreement preserves our pilots' compensation and benefits in the top quartile of the North American industry and will help ensure the sustainability of the company's defined-benefit pension plans," said Calin Rovinescu, Air Canada's chief executive.

What has changed? AC pilots must be bottom zero percent now


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-ca ... -1.1273060
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newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Conflicting Traffic wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:40 pm
The headline says $590k, but the story says $300k. Which is it?

Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
There definitely is no point in comparing Canada to the US, but not for those BS reasons Old Cal had in his head. The biggest reason is the size of our respective economies and travel industries. The US probably has more people traveling in a month than the entire population of Canada so they can afford the higher salaries. Can Canadian airlines afford higher pay-scales here? Probably, but not to the same extent as the US. Should salaries see massive increases for us here in Canada? Absolutely! But there's no chance they'll ever be able to match $590K.

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It's a free market after all, if you have Green Card or US citizen, go ahead and make big money but unfortunately most of us don't. And your employer knows this, why would they give you more if you can't go anywhere?

Average salary of USA is higher than Canada. Their dollar is stronger, bigger economy, 10 times more population, more traveler etc. And don't forget US has 1500 ATP rules for airlines pilots, we don't. So maybe start from there if we need to see that salary go up. You can't have both 250 FO and high salary, demand and supply. The shortage isn't enough for company to raise the money yet.
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MrAviator19 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:55 pm
newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm


Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
There definitely is no point in comparing Canada to the US, but not for those BS reasons Old Cal had in his head. The biggest reason is the size of our respective economies and travel industries. The US probably has more people traveling in a month than the entire population of Canada so they can afford the higher salaries. Can Canadian airlines afford higher pay-scales here? Probably, but not to the same extent as the US. Should salaries see massive increases for us here in Canada? Absolutely! But there's no chance they'll ever be able to match $590K.

MrA
Personally I think it's the fact they'll always get at least some sort of no strings bailout! Minus the CEWS program that AC didn't even take, nobody here really got free money. Just low interest loans
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MrAviator19 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:55 pm
newlygrounded wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:58 pm
boeingboy wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:01 pm


Both - the 300,000 is the increase for FO's. American is matching the new Delta deal with a 40% raise....
So By year 4, narrow body captain tops at $475,000, wide body captain $590,000 annually.

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/16 ... 04/photo/1
No point comparing us to the US. We fly totally different planes, and totally different routes! - Calvin
There definitely is no point in comparing Canada to the US, but not for those BS reasons Old Cal had in his head. The biggest reason is the size of our respective economies and travel industries. The US probably has more people traveling in a month than the entire population of Canada so they can afford the higher salaries. Can Canadian airlines afford higher pay-scales here? Probably, but not to the same extent as the US. Should salaries see massive increases for us here in Canada? Absolutely! But there's no chance they'll ever be able to match $590K.

MrA
Personally, I disagree. Yes, there are 10x the number of passengers flying in the US, but there are also 10x the number of airlines flying and 10x the number of pilots. On a per-capita scale, I think the economics are actually quite similar between the US and Canada. Our contracts are a business deal just like any other contracts that our employing airlines happen to sign (fuel, aircraft purchases, airport slots etc). Canadian airlines don't get a discount on airplanes "just because it's Canada, and the economics are different".
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How are airlines taxed vs those in Canada though? How are we the same when 50% of my salary evaporates when I receive it? I’m not buying that argument.
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CL-Skadoo! wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:43 am How are airlines taxed vs those in Canada though? How are we the same when 50% of my salary evaporates when I receive it? I’m not buying that argument.
Corporate taxes are obviously very different from personal taxes. You can look at the financials for any of the publicly traded airlines in Canada and see exactly what they pay in taxes. It's certainly nowhere near 50% of anything.

AC reported an adjusted pre-tax loss of $211 million in 2022, and an adjusted net loss of $217 million. So wouldn't that imply that they only paid $6 million in tax last year? If anyone can correct me, go for it. I'm not an expert. I still just don't think airlines should be getting a deal on pilots "just because Canada is different".
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I agree with you, wholeheartedly. Pay needs to be addressed.

I understand they don’t get destroyed by taxation the same way that you and I are, but it is nowhere near what is encountered in the US. There’s a hell of a lot of reasons to go into looking at our markets, taxation and government policy. We’re just not the same.

I just don’t see a 500,000$ paycheque being sustainable for any Canadian airline considering the way they are run and the system under which they are run. Again, it does not mean we cannot do better though.
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