Jazz pilots moving to Porter - E2

[THT]

Jazz continues to experience a very high rate of pilot resignations going to Porter on the E2-195.
Seems Porter very attractive (pay, new airplane, great work culture). They need pilots and they consider them.
Moreover, the conditions at Jazz are deteriorating and they don't care about their pilots. it looks like a sinking ship...

[smooth]

I believe one of their Assistance chief pilot came from Jazz, and few DEC from Jazz EMB. I mean, if you get PFO from AC. It's a clear choice that 90k at Jazz EMB vs 150k at Porter flying the same airplane

[Tbayer2021]

Jazz continues to experience a very high rate of pilot resignations going to Porter on the E2-195.
Seems Porter very attractive (pay, new airplane, great work culture). They need pilots and they consider them.
Moreover, the conditions at Jazz are deteriorating and they don't care about their pilots. it looks like a sinking ship...

The current environment seems to favour leaving Jazz even if AC is your goal. AC is not meeting their contractual obligation of of 60% minimum flow, not even close. You'd probably make it to AC faster if you went to any other 705. It's not like staying at Jazz gets you seniority at AC anyways.

[THT]

Absolutely, don't want to waste time waiting the AC offer since my interview in January 2023... clearly there is a corruption.
And for what ? flat pay during 4 years and restart everything which seniority is clearly one of the most important thing.
Also the bid at Jazz shows the difficulties of the company with my base loss for keeping my position.
Then, the loss of my position is the next... discouraging.
Jazz is a cross, the promise of the 60% is false, even AC is not agree with that. Heard that it was the decision of Jazz alone.
AC is starting to take over Jazz routes...
Time to leave and get seniority at Porter where the E2 is much better a pleasant new plane to work on.

[cdnavater]

Absolutely, don't want to waste time waiting the AC offer since my interview in January 2023... clearly there is a corruption.
And for what ? flat pay during 4 years and restart everything which seniority is clearly one of the most important thing.
Also the bid at Jazz shows the difficulties of the company with my base loss for keeping my position.
Then, the loss of my position is the next... discouraging.
Jazz is a cross, the promise of the 60% is false, even AC is not agree with that. Heard that it was the decision of Jazz alone.
AC is starting to take over Jazz routes...
Time to leave and get seniority at Porter where the E2 is much better a pleasant new plane to work on.

Just so I understand, you have interviewed and are thinking of jumping ship without knowing the results of that interview! Good for your buddy, that sends a message, giver!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Absolutely, don't want to waste time waiting the AC offer since my interview in January 2023... clearly there is a corruption.
And for what ? flat pay during 4 years and restart everything which seniority is clearly one of the most important thing.
Also the bid at Jazz shows the difficulties of the company with my base loss for keeping my position.
Then, the loss of my position is the next... discouraging.
Jazz is a cross, the promise of the 60% is false, even AC is not agree with that. Heard that it was the decision of Jazz alone.
AC is starting to take over Jazz routes...
Time to leave and get seniority at Porter where the E2 is much better a pleasant new plane to work on.

Just so I understand, you have interviewed and are thinking of jumping ship without knowing the results of that interview! Good for your buddy, that sends a message, giver!

One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty: No porter pilot is jumping ship to Jazz.

[cdnavater]

Absolutely, don't want to waste time waiting the AC offer since my interview in January 2023... clearly there is a corruption.
And for what ? flat pay during 4 years and restart everything which seniority is clearly one of the most important thing.
Also the bid at Jazz shows the difficulties of the company with my base loss for keeping my position.
Then, the loss of my position is the next... discouraging.
Jazz is a cross, the promise of the 60% is false, even AC is not agree with that. Heard that it was the decision of Jazz alone.
AC is starting to take over Jazz routes...
Time to leave and get seniority at Porter where the E2 is much better a pleasant new plane to work on.

Just so I understand, you have interviewed and are thinking of jumping ship without knowing the results of that interview! Good for your buddy, that sends a message, giver!

One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty: No porter pilot is jumping ship to Jazz.

Roflmao, true that, I have never blamed anyone for leaving Jazz just disagree with some of the characterizations or exaggerations used.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Just so I understand, you have interviewed and are thinking of jumping ship without knowing the results of that interview! Good for your buddy, that sends a message, giver!

One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty: No porter pilot is jumping ship to Jazz.

Roflmao, true that, I have never blamed anyone for leaving Jazz just disagree with some of the characterizations or exaggerations used.

Lol. Like mine all good. It’s aVCanada after all

[RoAF-Mig21]

A lot of us are waiting to see the results of what our union can bring back to us. I'm reffering to a negociated pay and working condition that will be more acceptable and realistic to today's skyrocketing cost of living and the reality that most of us will forever be forced to be commuters.

Personally, I was more than content staying at Jazz until retirement. Unless things change for the better, I am skeptical that will happen. There is a point where one must cut his or her loses and move on. I am stil hopeful for an agreement that will be beneficial to all parties.

[THT]

The truth is not always pleasant to read, I agree but it is objectively the sad reality...
And yes, absolutely ready to leave Jazz for Porter without getting an answer from the AC interview since they have already pass through the pilots under me.
So what? AC is keeping me in the pool until they need me? if not, send me my PFO! joke...

[THT]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

[kiaszceski]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

[THT]

One thing I can say with almost 100% certainty: No porter pilot is jumping ship to Jazz.

Roflmao, true that, I have never blamed anyone for leaving Jazz just disagree with some of the characterizations or exaggerations used.

Lol. Like mine all good. It’s aVCanada after all

lol agree, it's a forum, nothing huge

[THT]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

yes and many others except AC of course...

[rudder]

Jazz WAWCON circa April 04, 2023 in combination with the ‘real numbers’ associated with the flow agreement both from 2022 and 2023, plus the revised Porter pay rates seem to make the choice a fairly lopsided one.

It remains to be seen if any of the parties are interested in or agree to implement changes to status quo that might impact individual pilot decisions.

Porter is not the only destination for Jazz pilots, but it is an attractive one. And if Porter is using a TPPC program for E170 endorsed pilots, it represents a cost saving for the airline. In addition, the value of experienced E175 pilots as DEC as well as E175 pilots with training and/or checking experience and credentials is self evident, at least to Porter.

[flying4dollars]

The truth is not always pleasant to read, I agree but it is objectively the sad reality...
And yes, absolutely ready to leave Jazz for Porter without getting an answer from the AC interview since they have already pass through the pilots under me.
So what? AC is keeping me in the pool until they need me? if not, send me my PFO! joke...

Good on you THT. Taking control of your own destiny. Wish you the best of luck at Porter!

[cdnavater]

The truth is not always pleasant to read, I agree but it is objectively the sad reality...
And yes, absolutely ready to leave Jazz for Porter without getting an answer from the AC interview since they have already pass through the pilots under me.
So what? AC is keeping me in the pool until they need me? if not, send me my PFO! joke...

I thought it was supposed to be seniority, so either the ones junior that went had interviewed before you or they are violating another part of the agreement.
Have you reached out to a union rep, they might be able to find out what happened.
With the portal opening and closing, are you sure they weren’t on the portal before you? I believe that is the intent behind that little trick, open it, let qualified pilots apply, close it and interview from that pool, open it again after that pool dries up.
Anyhow, it’s the above or your PFO is in the mail, I don’t think in your position I would wait either!

[braaap Braap]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

The list of Standby agreements at Porter is ~75 last time I checked. There's an Air Canada jumpseat agreement now too so that certainly helps. Hopefully increasing as the jet gains us more exposure.

[Timetoflyagain]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

[itaserb]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

One little correction. Interline after 6 months.

[flying4dollars]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

Impressive list. Is this only for the employee or can one bring someone on some of those airlines?

[Timetoflyagain]

…ahh..6 months interline indeed...

..bringing someone with you along on Porter..you can bring 2 people anytime, anywhere, unlimited changes. Travel without you?….Spouse (CL or married), dependant kids, parents. No spouse or kids? 1 designated travel partner, change once per year (this means they can travel without you)

..interline..spouse (common law or married), dependant kids, parents, per each airlines rules.

[digits_]

And it just need courage to leave Jazz for Porter, forget AC and forget travel benefits.
Anyway, Porter travel benefits are impressive ! Much better than expected. I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

Is SpaceX a joke? Or do they have an airline division?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Like, what are the travel benefits Porter has? Transat? Westjet?

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

Is SpaceX a joke? Or do they have an airline division?

Lol. That was an April fools joke. Email sent out April 1

[cjp]

…IDTravel airlines include carriers like AirFrance, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, SAS, Icelandair, LOT, VirginAtlantic, ElAl, CathayP, Qantas, Emirates, Qatar, Ethiad, AeroMexico, United, JetBlue, Delta, Hawaiian, Frontier, Spirit, Southwest, SpaceX (we got ‘em but don’t bother…they’re always full), AirTransat, WJ, Pal, AirNorth, FirstAir, Flair and about 30/40 other smaller regional carriers worldwide. With the very recent addition of west coast flights and coast to coast service, we’re expecting more interest from Asian carriers reasonably soon as well.

Jumpseat is a decent and growing list of Canadian (including AC) and US carriers.

Travel on Porter is valid from day 1 of employment, interline after 3 months. Porter staff travel is essentially just airport fees, taxes, immigration fees etc. Jumpseat is 100% free..for the 1 lucky person with the best seniority.

Is SpaceX a joke? Or do they have an airline division?

Lol. That was an April fools joke. Email sent out April 1

There was a pretty big eyeroll when that hit the inbox, but I was smiling. I've had lots of jumpseaters so far on my pairings and each and everyone one is so kind and excited, it's really a pleasure to have you all onboard.

This really is, for lack of a more times appropriate word, a true brotherhood of aviators who aren't here to compete but to make each others day better.