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[JerryRig]

The other thing to consider, is that a lot of the language used in that release/article/obituary, tends to be that used in cases of suicide in an attempt to shield family and friends from further heartache and occasionally stigma.

Yes, I had the same thought when I read that, that or an accident! I would think they would come out and say it if it were suspected to be vaccine related.
I’ll give rig credit for persistence though, still not vaccinated and still outta work, must be mentally exhausting!

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

[kgb531]

Only if the vast consensus of their peers agree with them.
The outliers are written off for good reasons (religious zealots, attention seekers, etc.)

I get you're impressed because Bill Makis is/was a physician, but he's the poster child for mental illness. Ignore the fact that he is a radiologist and has no specialty training in immunology/virology/pharmacology/epidemiology, and worry about why he's been declared a vexatious litigant for over 5 years and why he believes entire hospitals and everyone of the staff members is out to get him. This has been his life for a decade plus.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abcpsdc/do ... ltIndex=12

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https://makismd.substack.com/p/young-pi ... d-suddenly

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I have no opinion on the article, but if the main reason you don't trust it is because of the credentials of the doctor, would you trust a bunch of other doctors that recommend against the vaccine who are immunological, vaccinologists, epidemiologist etc?

[JerryRig]

Only if the vast consensus of their peers agree with them.
The outliers are written off for good reasons (religious zealots, attention seekers, etc.)

I get you're impressed because Bill Makis is/was a physician, but he's the poster child for mental illness. Ignore the fact that he is a radiologist and has no specialty training in immunology/virology/pharmacology/epidemiology, and worry about why he's been declared a vexatious litigant for over 5 years and why he believes entire hospitals and everyone of the staff members is out to get him. This has been his life for a decade plus.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abcpsdc/do ... ltIndex=12

I have no opinion on the article, but if the main reason you don't trust it is because of the credentials of the doctor, would you trust a bunch of other doctors that recommend against the vaccine who are immunological, vaccinologists, epidemiologist etc?

Why “the vast consensus”? Is it not possible that the vast consensus took their position due to blackmail and extortion of their career and livelihood putting their family at risk? Because that’s basically what happened. Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

[Bingo Fuel]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

[JerryRig]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

The day of reckoning is coming, my friend. This is in various courts at various levels, and the perps are squirming. It’s just you won’t see this on the mainstream news because the major networks are complicit.

[Bingo Fuel]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

The day of reckoning is coming, my friend. This is in various courts at various levels, and the perps are squirming. It’s just you won’t see this on the mainstream news because the major networks are complicit.

And if they're found not guilty, I assume the Courts are also complicit. What if they never admit they were wrong?

How long will you wait?

[JerryRig]

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?



Prove it in court.

The day of reckoning is coming, my friend. This is in various courts at various levels, and the perps are squirming. It’s just you won’t see this on the mainstream news because the major networks are complicit.

And if they're found not guilty, I assume the Courts are also complicit. What if they never admit they were wrong?

How long will you wait?

Actually, you are correct. The courts have been infiltrated and appointed (not elected) with left leaning judges. This is a spiritual war, and the ending has already been written. It’s just a matter of time(ing).

[khedrei]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

[kgb531]

Physicians are regulated by other physicians. They elect the physicians who make up that regulatory body.
Are you suggesting someone has dirt on all of them? Because all of big pharma's profits combined couldn't even buy off a quarter of physicians in the US, never mind the entire planet.
They "had little to lose" but everything to gain. It's tough to become irrelevant as one ages out of their profession.
Whether it's a mentally ill xray doc (Makis), a pushed into retirement heart surgeon (Modry) or a pathologist that can only find work testifying for accused murders/rapists (Hodkinson). Big egos clamoring for any bit of attention. That's just in Edmonton.
I'm sorry the education system failed you so badly. I'm sorry nobody made you aware of your gullibility earlier in life so you could've avoided rabbit hole after rabbit hole.

Only if the vast consensus of their peers agree with them.
The outliers are written off for good reasons (religious zealots, attention seekers, etc.)

I have no opinion on the article, but if the main reason you don't trust it is because of the credentials of the doctor, would you trust a bunch of other doctors that recommend against the vaccine who are immunological, vaccinologists, epidemiologist etc?

Why “the vast consensus”? Is it not possible that the vast consensus took their position due to blackmail and extortion of their career and livelihood putting their family at risk? Because that’s basically what happened. Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

[cdnavater]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

Yet here we are, it’s 2023 and neither side has budged, we’re not dropping like flies and the world carries on.
Covid doesn’t exist for me anymore, I only come to this forum for entertainment!

[JerryRig]

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?



Prove it in court.

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

Yet here we are, it’s 2023 and neither side has budged, we’re not dropping like flies and the world carries on.
Covid doesn’t exist for me anymore, I only come to this forum for entertainment!

You must be living under a rock because people ARE dropping like flies. But many more have had either temporary, long term, reoccurring, or permanent adverse reactions, just as the 3 month test report predicted.

[khedrei]

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?



Prove it in court.

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

Yet here we are, it’s 2023 and neither side has budged, we’re not dropping like flies and the world carries on.
Covid doesn’t exist for me anymore, I only come to this forum for entertainment!

The vaccines have also been acknowledged by government officials and manufacturers to not work as advertised. Yet mandates remain.

So tell me which side should be budging?

[Bingo Fuel]

Actually, they won’t outright point to the “vaccine” because that would be a public admission that they were wrong. The backlash would send the world into violent chaos.

You want them to admit they're wrong, right? So what then? Violent chaos?

Alternatively, what if they never admit they were wrong?

Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Prove it in court.

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

I agree that democratic backsliding is an issue. But this ain't it.

Proof was provided, on both sides, but everyone's opinions are calcified now, entrenched. The time for changing minds is long over. With Canadian and American elections coming within the next few years, I imagine the polarization will get worse before it gets better.

[cdnavater]

The burden of proof is on the people want to mandate things/take away freedoms. Or at least that's how our world used to work. Somehow in 2020 all that democracy crap went away.

Yet here we are, it’s 2023 and neither side has budged, we’re not dropping like flies and the world carries on.
Covid doesn’t exist for me anymore, I only come to this forum for entertainment!

The vaccines have also been acknowledged by government officials and manufacturers to not work as advertised. Yet mandates remain.

So tell me which side should be budging?

I don’t know man, which mandates are you talking about? Nothing is affecting me these days, I have only had to wear a mask at the hospital for appointments, which I’ve been getting without long waits. I get on airplanes without a mask, I just don’t see these mandates.
Going to restaurants, haven’t been asked my vaccination status for a very long time, nope, situation normal for me can’t think of a single thing preventing me from enjoying life these days, well inflation sucks but that’s about it!

[khedrei]

Yet here we are, it’s 2023 and neither side has budged, we’re not dropping like flies and the world carries on.
Covid doesn’t exist for me anymore, I only come to this forum for entertainment!

The vaccines have also been acknowledged by government officials and manufacturers to not work as advertised. Yet mandates remain.

So tell me which side should be budging?

I don’t know man, which mandates are you talking about? Nothing is affecting me these days, I have only had to wear a mask at the hospital for appointments, which I’ve been getting without long waits. I get on airplanes without a mask, I just don’t see these mandates.
Going to restaurants, haven’t been asked my vaccination status for a very long time, nope, situation normal for me can’t think of a single thing preventing me from enjoying life these days, well inflation sucks but that’s about it!

Thats good for you. And I'm happy for you. But over 2 million Canadians can't cross the border legally. Many got fired from their jobs. Most aviation job ads have vaccine mandates and im sure many other industries do as well. Health care workers are one for sure.

You also said it yourself, mask mandates remain in hospitals even when it has also been acknowledged by many other countries that they don't work.

I'm glad you are enjoying your life and think this is over. But that doesn't mean it is.

[cdnavater]

The vaccines have also been acknowledged by government officials and manufacturers to not work as advertised. Yet mandates remain.

So tell me which side should be budging?

I don’t know man, which mandates are you talking about? Nothing is affecting me these days, I have only had to wear a mask at the hospital for appointments, which I’ve been getting without long waits. I get on airplanes without a mask, I just don’t see these mandates.
Going to restaurants, haven’t been asked my vaccination status for a very long time, nope, situation normal for me can’t think of a single thing preventing me from enjoying life these days, well inflation sucks but that’s about it!

Thats good for you. And I'm happy for you. But over 2 million Canadians can't cross the border legally. Many got fired from their jobs. Most aviation job ads have vaccine mandates and im sure many other industries do as well. Health care workers are one for sure.

You also said it yourself, mask mandates remain in hospitals even when it has also been acknowledged by many other countries that they don't work.

I'm glad you are enjoying your life and think this is over. But that doesn't mean it is.

I guess it’s a matter of perspective, I honestly can’t empathize because I disagree with your decision but that has been hashed out numerous times to no avail, nobody is changing anyone’s minds and certainly posting on avcanada will have zero effect on US government policy.
Am I wrong in thinking you can cross the border by land without a vaccination? It doesn’t make sense if that is the case but again, zero chance this will change based on musings here.
I do think you are stuck with vaccinations policies for the foreseeable future, the job requires the ability to travel across borders and is subject to that country’s policy.
If shutting down Ottawa didn’t change anything, not sure anything short of a rebellion will change anything, is that your goal.
Find like minded individuals and convince them to start a rebellion?
If your goal is to reduce taxes, I could be convinced( just kidding Justin, I would do that) but no really, where did we land on the taxes issue?

[khedrei]

You are wrong to assume you can legally cross the border with it, land or otherwise.

You won't get much argument out of me on the rest of your statement. Its all pretty factual. I dont expect to change the world. My argument is that things are far from normal and I will point that out with anyone who says otherwise.

I will also take a stand with anyone who argues that its ok to force people to take experimental medicine against their will. Thats not a world i want for the nect generation or to live in myself. In western society, I though that was a concensus. Freedom. The one thing we could (almost) all agree on. I thought we figured that out in 1945. The people who claim to want all these safe spaces and freedom to live their lives the way they want are the ones who can't wait to force their will on anyone who dissagrees with them. They are the most anti freedom people of them all.

[Arnie Pye]

I don’t know man, which mandates are you talking about? Nothing is affecting me these days, I have only had to wear a mask at the hospital for appointments, which I’ve been getting without long waits. I get on airplanes without a mask, I just don’t see these mandates.
Going to restaurants, haven’t been asked my vaccination status for a very long time, nope, situation normal for me can’t think of a single thing preventing me from enjoying life these days, well inflation sucks but that’s about it!

Thats good for you. And I'm happy for you. But over 2 million Canadians can't cross the border legally. Many got fired from their jobs. Most aviation job ads have vaccine mandates and im sure many other industries do as well. Health care workers are one for sure.

You also said it yourself, mask mandates remain in hospitals even when it has also been acknowledged by many other countries that they don't work.

I'm glad you are enjoying your life and think this is over. But that doesn't mean it is.

I guess it’s a matter of perspective, I honestly can’t empathize because I disagree with your decision but that has been hashed out numerous times to no avail, nobody is changing anyone’s minds and certainly posting on avcanada will have zero effect on US government policy.
Am I wrong in thinking you can cross the border by land without a vaccination? It doesn’t make sense if that is the case but again, zero chance this will change based on musings here.
I do think you are stuck with vaccinations policies for the foreseeable future, the job requires the ability to travel across borders and is subject to that country’s policy.
If shutting down Ottawa didn’t change anything, not sure anything short of a rebellion will change anything, is that your goal.
Find like minded individuals and convince them to start a rebellion?
If your goal is to reduce taxes, I could be convinced( just kidding Justin, I would do that) but no really, where did we land on the taxes issue?

I just crossed the land border several times in the last couple of months and was never asked. Flew to the US to visit some friends and another trip to visit my parents. Don't remember being asked for my vaccination status then either.

[Arnie Pye]

Only if the vast consensus of their peers agree with them.
The outliers are written off for good reasons (religious zealots, attention seekers, etc.)

I have no opinion on the article, but if the main reason you don't trust it is because of the credentials of the doctor, would you trust a bunch of other doctors that recommend against the vaccine who are immunological, vaccinologists, epidemiologist etc?

Why “the vast consensus”? Is it not possible that the vast consensus took their position due to blackmail and extortion of their career and livelihood putting their family at risk? Because that’s basically what happened. Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Maybe instead of trying to convince a bunch of already-vaccinated pilots, you should be spending your time on a bunch of lawyer forums. Maybe you would get some traction there.

Here's a link for you:

https://www.oba.org/Sections/About-Sections

[khedrei]

Thats good for you. And I'm happy for you. But over 2 million Canadians can't cross the border legally. Many got fired from their jobs. Most aviation job ads have vaccine mandates and im sure many other industries do as well. Health care workers are one for sure.

You also said it yourself, mask mandates remain in hospitals even when it has also been acknowledged by many other countries that they don't work.

I'm glad you are enjoying your life and think this is over. But that doesn't mean it is.

I guess it’s a matter of perspective, I honestly can’t empathize because I disagree with your decision but that has been hashed out numerous times to no avail, nobody is changing anyone’s minds and certainly posting on avcanada will have zero effect on US government policy.
Am I wrong in thinking you can cross the border by land without a vaccination? It doesn’t make sense if that is the case but again, zero chance this will change based on musings here.
I do think you are stuck with vaccinations policies for the foreseeable future, the job requires the ability to travel across borders and is subject to that country’s policy.
If shutting down Ottawa didn’t change anything, not sure anything short of a rebellion will change anything, is that your goal.
Find like minded individuals and convince them to start a rebellion?
If your goal is to reduce taxes, I could be convinced( just kidding Justin, I would do that) but no really, where did we land on the taxes issue?

I just crossed the land border several times in the last couple of months and was never asked. Flew to the US to visit some friends and another trip to visit my parents. Don't remember being asked for my vaccination status then either.

I believe you. But are you denying that the regulation exists?

[JerryRig]

Only if the vast consensus of their peers agree with them.
The outliers are written off for good reasons (religious zealots, attention seekers, etc.)

Why “the vast consensus”? Is it not possible that the vast consensus took their position due to blackmail and extortion of their career and livelihood putting their family at risk? Because that’s basically what happened. Only those who had little to loose because they were well positioned to oppose, or near retirement, or were already retired, or had balls of steel actually are opposing this crime. And it IS a crime.

Maybe instead of trying to convince a bunch of already-vaccinated pilots, you should be spending your time on a bunch of lawyer forums. Maybe you would get some traction there.

Here's a link for you:

https://www.oba.org/Sections/About-Sections

Yes, I agree. The core of many of these issues lead not only to the bar associations, but the banking system as well at an esoteric level.

However, what these weasel elites fear the most is an uprising on a massive level. It requires building support within our local communities. It starts there. Municipalities, counties, provinces, as well as common interest groups such as this one. They absolutely cannot deal with mass non-compliance. That’s how we win. The peaceful truck convoy illustrates this.