More transport medical delays : PSAC strike

[McKinley]

Well, when we thought it couldn’t get more delayed now there’s this …


Remember, folks ! The pandemic isn’t over ! Save lives by destroying the lives of others ! Go Trudumb !

Of course, alpa pilots should be in solidarity with these individuals who can’t process pilot medicals in under a year.


https://twitter.com/duncandee/status/16 ... 7582617601

I wonder how long it’ll take to process pilot/ ATC medicals now ..


I also notice that they’re prioritizing marine pleasure craft license processing over aviation medical certs :p

[Inverted2]

Fire them all. Completely useless organization. They won’t answer a phone call or email when they’re not on strike and try to send you encrypted emails that don’t work (epost). I wouldn’t shed a tear if they were all on the street and sleeping under a bridge.

[Bingo Fuel]

WestJet is about to hit the picket line in about a month. AC could be entering negotiations this year.

Now would be a great time to start supporting our fellow workers.

Public vs private, who cares. It's just a distraction. The real enemies are the ones standing against the workers. We're all fighting for the same thing. Let's let the rising tide float all boats.

In solidarity.

[Inverted2]

I’m all about supporting fellow workers but having dealt with TC medicine in the past I have no use for them whatsoever.

[chaster]

WestJet is about to hit the picket line in about a month. AC could be entering negotiations this year.

Now would be a great time to start supporting our fellow workers.

Public vs private, who cares. It's just a distraction. The real enemies are the ones standing against the workers. We're all fighting for the same thing. Let's let the rising tide float all boats.

In solidarity.

Short Memory??? Nope sorry. Back to the office. Our people trying to get service is like pulling a Tooth. TC and the govt agencies are a joke.

[khedrei]

I agree. Ill support workers who actually work. TC was a joke before covid and before strikes. The only time something gets done is if you call or show up and fight to get special attention. Then you see just how possible it is for them to do their job and how capable they actually are.

I'm pro worker, but these people (generally) don't fit the definition.

[accountant]

Lol no support for unions with bloated pensions asking for massive raises on our dime.

Same with paying pilots 200k for autopilot.

[Crewbunk]

Same with paying pilots 200k for autopilot.

If you think the physical flying of an aircraft is a pilot’s sole function, you know very little about aviation. It’s vital, but in no way all encompassing.

Let’s say you are an Accountant. There have been vast advances with computer programs over the decades making an accountant’s job easier. Heck, calculators are more capable. But unless an accountant knows what and why these tools are used and when to use them, he’s useless.

I recently described to friends what was required in flying an A330 from YYZ to ZRH. I listed all of the knowledge required from check-in to check-out. Hundreds of events all requiring input and experience. Not once was flying the aircraft mentioned.

[Bede]

Same with paying pilots 200k for autopilot.

Same for accountants who use Excel, especially those who use the autofill function. They should have to do it all manually.

I must say, I'm a bit surprised that as an accountant you don't understand the economic theory of why some people with seemingly easy jobs (airline pilots) earn more than people with more demanding jobs (such as PSWs)

[lawrenceloft]

Pretty sad to see the lack of solidarity here. Have a little class consciousness, guys. Workers are workers, whether by heart or arm or brain. I don't know how many of you were here some decade or so ago when they did a reshuffle of how medicals were processed, making it a national pool rather than by region, but they did it because the Harper government did not want to increase funding to hire more people to cover it. It work at all, but the Trudeau government kept it up without increasing their staffing because it looked better on paper. The number of medicals never stopped increasing, but the number of people to process them did, and the processing methods got a few steps more complicated.

They are overworked. Let them clock out when work is done. Let them work from home if they are able. Improve the working conditions of your fellow labourers and you will reap the benefits too.

[accountant]

Same with paying pilots 200k for autopilot.

If you think the physical flying of an aircraft is a pilot’s sole function, you know very little about aviation. It’s vital, but in no way all encompassing.

Let’s say you are an Accountant. There have been vast advances with computer programs over the decades making an accountant’s job easier. Heck, calculators are more capable. But unless an accountant knows what and why these tools are used and when to use them, he’s useless.

I recently described to friends what was required in flying an A330 from YYZ to ZRH. I listed all of the knowledge required from check-in to check-out. Hundreds of events all requiring input and experience. Not once was flying the aircraft mentioned.

Great example. But it still does not justify why you need such massive and significant wage increases. Pilots and their unions do a crappy job of explaining why you deserve these increases. Just because US pilots are paid a massive amount doesn't mean you deserve the same.

Educate the public in what goes into flying a plane, the costs of education, training, etc and perhaps we might care a bit more.

All we presently see is ongoing issues with travel, horrible service in most cases at all levels (Customer Service, Call Centres, Baggage, Ticketing, In Flight, you name it) and when that's the case the public has zero appetite or compassion to care if you get massive increases.

[Bede]

I'll go with the strict economics argument:
I am paid as a function of the revenue I generate. There are no substitutes for the services that we as pilots offer.
When revenue collapsed during Covid, so did my salary (mine dropped 71%).
Now, the price of air fares has increased by ~46% since 2020. All I'm asking for is my % of revenue to remain constant.

[newlygrounded]

Pretty sad to see the lack of solidarity here. Have a little class consciousness, guys. Workers are workers, whether by heart or arm or brain. I don't know how many of you were here some decade or so ago when they did a reshuffle of how medicals were processed, making it a national pool rather than by region, but they did it because the Harper government did not want to increase funding to hire more people to cover it. It work at all, but the Trudeau government kept it up without increasing their staffing because it looked better on paper. The number of medicals never stopped increasing, but the number of people to process them did, and the processing methods got a few steps more complicated.

They are overworked. Let them clock out when work is done. Let them work from home if they are able. Improve the working conditions of your fellow labourers and you will reap the benefits too.

It’s honestly all jealousy, pilots can’t work from home so they look down at anybody, who chose a different career where that’s possible. People don’t realize that the fees they pay to TC don’t cover enough people to process things in a timely manner.

[CpnCrunch]

I'll go with the strict economics argument:
I am paid as a function of the revenue I generate. There are no substitutes for the services that we as pilots offer.
When revenue collapsed during Covid, so did my salary (mine dropped 71%).
Now, the price of air fares has increased by ~46% since 2020. All I'm asking for is my % of revenue to remain constant.

According to Stats Can, air fares increased from $173.7 to $189.2 from Feb 2020 to Feb 2023, which is 3% increase per year. How did the hourly rate increase over that time? I can't find any current pay chart for Westjet.

[BigQ]

They might be striking but in reality, I'm sure a IT system designer could create an online system that works and replaces all of the TC medical processing for a pittance compared to their aggregate yearly salary.

IT solutions to government bloat are becoming increasingly viable. Soon, CBDCs and blockchain technology will allow the federal government to work with less than 1,000 workers Canada-wide.

[newlygrounded]

They might be striking but in reality, I'm sure a IT system designer could create an online system that works and replaces all of the TC medical processing for a pittance compared to their aggregate yearly salary.

IT solutions to government bloat are becoming increasingly viable. Soon, CBDCs and blockchain technology will allow the federal government to work with less than 1,000 workers Canada-wide.

Ever hear of collectives agreements?

[Dry Guy]

They have scope on moving what your CAME wrote on a form to a database.

[photofly]

CAMEs don’t write on paper forms any more; everything is entered by them directly into the TC database on a website.

[flyingcanuck]

They might be striking but in reality, I'm sure a IT system designer could create an online system that works and replaces all of the TC medical processing for a pittance compared to their aggregate yearly salary.

IT solutions to government bloat are becoming increasingly viable. Soon, CBDCs and blockchain technology will allow the federal government to work with less than 1,000 workers Canada-wide.

Where is this disdain for other workers coming from? The average CRA salary is $65000, so these people will never afford homes, or afford to live in cities like YOW, YYZ etc.. and want an increase like we all do for the cost of living.

Everyone deserves more, this "I got mine so screw you" attitude is exactly why we have such negativity in the media and no one cares.

[newlygrounded]

They might be striking but in reality, I'm sure a IT system designer could create an online system that works and replaces all of the TC medical processing for a pittance compared to their aggregate yearly salary.

IT solutions to government bloat are becoming increasingly viable. Soon, CBDCs and blockchain technology will allow the federal government to work with less than 1,000 workers Canada-wide.

Where is this disdain for other workers coming from? The average CRA salary is $65000, so these people will never afford homes, or afford to live in cities like YOW, YYZ etc.. and want an increase like we all do for the cost of living.

Everyone deserves more, this "I got mine so screw you" attitude is exactly why we have such negativity in the media and no one cares.

It's also why Junior pilots aren't entering the industry and so many who got furloughed never came back.

[accountant]

I'll go with the strict economics argument:
I am paid as a function of the revenue I generate. There are no substitutes for the services that we as pilots offer.
When revenue collapsed during Covid, so did my salary (mine dropped 71%).
Now, the price of air fares has increased by ~46% since 2020. All I'm asking for is my % of revenue to remain constant.

Except if you play that argument, you're not the only one who generates the revenue. You simply fly the plane from A to B.

There are many other hands involved in generating that revenue per seat. mechanics, FA's, loaders, you name it. Heck, the IT guys.

All need each other to function.

Get in line, you don't deserve more than 2-3% just like everyone else is getting.

Your wages may have dropped 71% during covid, many of the others dropped 100%.

[newlygrounded]

I'll go with the strict economics argument:
I am paid as a function of the revenue I generate. There are no substitutes for the services that we as pilots offer.
When revenue collapsed during Covid, so did my salary (mine dropped 71%).
Now, the price of air fares has increased by ~46% since 2020. All I'm asking for is my % of revenue to remain constant.

Except if you play that argument, you're not the only one who generates the revenue. You simply fly the plane from A to B.

There are many other hands involved in generating that revenue per seat. mechanics, FA's, loaders, you name it. Heck, the IT guys.

All need each other to function.

Get in line, you don't deserve more than 2-3% just like everyone else is getting.

Your wages may have dropped 71% during covid, many of the others dropped 100%.

Get in line? Are you posting from the Onex HQ? You get what you ask for. People are free to ask for more

[Crewbunk]

Same with paying pilots 200k for autopilot.

If you think the physical flying of an aircraft is a pilot’s sole function, you know very little about aviation. It’s vital, but in no way all encompassing.

Let’s say you are an Accountant. There have been vast advances with computer programs over the decades making an accountant’s job easier. Heck, calculators are more capable. But unless an accountant knows what and why these tools are used and when to use them, he’s useless.

I recently described to friends what was required in flying an A330 from YYZ to ZRH. I listed all of the knowledge required from check-in to check-out. Hundreds of events all requiring input and experience. Not once was flying the aircraft mentioned.

Great example. But it still does not justify why you need such massive and significant wage increases. Pilots and their unions do a crappy job of explaining why you deserve these increases. Just because US pilots are paid a massive amount doesn't mean you deserve the same.

I wasn’t trying to justify pilot’s wages. The market will settle that for us. The mere fact that some carriers are pushing wages into hitherto unknown levels is simple supply and demand.

I was balking at your suggestion that wages should somehow be related to a piece of equipment in the cockpit.

[Bede]

There are many other hands involved in generating that revenue per seat. mechanics, FA's, loaders, you name it. Heck, the IT guys.

Not quite. You need pilots. You need AME's. Everyone else's job can be done by individuals who belong to those 2 groups.

I bring a lot of value to my employer- I'm just negotiating for the best price of the pie that I can.

[Beefitarian]

Why would anyone pay an accountant? Get quickbooks.