WestJet Pilots vote in favour of strike

[cdnavater]

I’m curious if truckers, who make a fraction of a WJ captain, walked out on masse instead of protesting, shutting down the country, would this group support them? What about railway employees, same thing?

Just curious.

Well, since you are speaking out of your ass again, we are not talking about every pilot at every company shutting down the country.
If a trucking company with a union was in a legal strike position, I would wholeheartedly support them, even if it meant I had to wait or pay more to get my stuff but that would be my choice, the other choice would to be to wait for the strike to be over and the market to stabilize before ordering non essential items.
Air travel is not essential for the most part, few exceptions, so if people have to pay more for that perk their wallets will decide and that will dictate the amount of seats available for sale.
Not the pilots problem unless that is the deciding factor for viability.
If all truckers walk off en mass, I would think they would be risking their jobs and non union shops would offer their jobs back at starting pay, union shops would be hit with illegal job action lawsuits, come on rookie, you’re smarter than that!

Essential.

Now that is an interesting word.

During the pandemic it was essential that small businesses shut down, and big box stores selling exactly the same stuff stayed open.

Who decides what is essential?

Anyway. I think the way truckers were demonized during the pandemic was horrific. I guess I am alone in that view.

You or I don’t decide what’s essential, the people voted in to parliament decide, I certainly don’t agree with most of the decisions made during the pandemic, like your example. In Manitoba for example, when they closed non essential stores, the big box stores and Walmart type stores were only allowed to sell the essential items, everything else had to be blocked off, so it was groceries and socks/underwear only at Costco.
The only time air travel is “essential “ is when that’s the only way in or out of a town, other than that the government treats it like a luxury and taxes it accordingly, it should be considered a luxury. Many countries consider air travel an essential part of the economy and makes tax policy with that in mind, our crooks are willing to take more than their pound in flesh without regard to the good paying jobs.
The market forces will decide how much pilots are worth, a legal strike will provide some extra leverage, the people will decide with their wallets on how much a ticket is worth, simple.

[rookiepilot]

That’s fine — free market.

But why is it allowed for truckers and rail workers pay to be suppressed so that Mom and Pop can buy their chips, pop and new big screen TV without delay under the label of essential services, when others are allowed to bargain?

And re big box stores — why were small stores that mainly sold essentials forced to close entirely?

[Tbayer2021]

I’m curious if truckers, who make a fraction of a WJ captain, walked out on masse instead of protesting, shutting down the country, would this group support them? What about railway employees, same thing?

Just curious.

I'm curious if Rookie will ever enjoy the fruits of his labour and enjoy the riches his very successful business has brought him. Odd thing to spend some much time on avcanada if one is so wealthy. But then again, he has been trying to bum flights off of others........hmmmm.

Just curious.

I just remember, the same guy who is whining that 200K WJ captains are grossly underpaid, was screaming all day here for 50 K truckers to get back to work during the height of the pandemic.

My heroes are truck drivers who actually work hard for a living, — I know several— not button pushing WB Captains.

My heroes are guys like Rookie that love to brag about how successful they were on their own, yet don't seem to have anything better to do than spend their day on an o line forum. Not those silly boomers that spend their golden years actually enjoying life.

[cdnavater]

That’s fine — free market.

But why is it allowed for truckers and rail workers pay to be suppressed so that Mom and Pop can buy their chips, pop and new big screen TV without delay under the label of essential services, when others are allowed to bargain?

And re big box stores — why were small stores that mainly sold essentials forced to close entirely?

Because the goods transported via rail and trucks is essential, the people transported via air are not essential for Canadians to live. You could argue cargo operations would be essential but we are talking about one company, not the entire air sector, I would think NavCanada would be deemed essential.
As for the small stores, no idea, no logic can explain that!

[Canpilot7]

It's probably not a good idea for everyone on the forum to engage with someone that has a creepy obsession like a certain rookie.

Someone posting on an industry forum, not in the industry, with a jaded angle to every post? It's better to just ignore all the posts. Better for other posters, but also better for the rookie as well. Nothing healthy about it at all.

[rookiepilot]

It's probably not a good idea for everyone on the forum to engage with someone that has a creepy obsession like a certain rookie.

Someone posting on an industry forum, not in the industry, with a jaded angle to every post? It's better to just ignore all the posts. Better for other posters, but also better for the rookie as well. Nothing healthy about it at all.

Creepy Obsession?

Who do you think you are?

Why is this thread not in the WESTJET forum?

When Joe makes this a site restricted to people working in the industry, as opposed to people interested in aviation, as well as pilots not in the industry —- you let me know.

Until then, Piss Off. Just ignore me, if you don’t like it.

How about this. This Thread is in the General Section. THIS IS NOT AN industry Forum. It should be in the Airline section, I won’t see it, and won’t comment.

GENERAL section is for aviation topics, not the pro union garbage that has taken over most of this site.

How about it MOD’s. Clean this up. Create a Union Subforum. Everything gets moved there or to the Westjet or other airline site.

I couldn’t care less about your strike.

[Tbayer2021]

It's probably not a good idea for everyone on the forum to engage with someone that has a creepy obsession like a certain rookie.

Someone posting on an industry forum, not in the industry, with a jaded angle to every post? It's better to just ignore all the posts. Better for other posters, but also better for the rookie as well. Nothing healthy about it at all.

Creepy Obsession?

Who do you think you are?

Why is this thread not in the WESTJET forum?

When Joe makes this a site restricted to people working in the industry, as opposed to people interested in aviation, as well as pilots not in the industry —- you let me know.

Until then, Piss Off. Just ignore me, if you don’t like it.

How about this. This Thread is in the General Section. THIS IS NOT AN industry Forum. It should be in the Airline section, I won’t see it, and won’t comment.

GENERAL section is for aviation topics, not the pro union garbage that has taken over most of this site.

How about it MOD’s. Clean this up. Create a Union Subforum. Everything gets moved there or to the Westjet or other airline site.

I couldn’t care less about your strike.

Lmao Rookie claiming he'll stay out of an industry thread. Now that's some top notch comedy

[khedrei]

I’m curious if truckers, who make a fraction of a WJ captain, walked out on masse instead of protesting, shutting down the country, would this group support them? What about railway employees, same thing?

Just curious.

Well, since you are speaking out of your ass again, we are not talking about every pilot at every company shutting down the country.
If a trucking company with a union was in a legal strike position, I would wholeheartedly support them, even if it meant I had to wait or pay more to get my stuff but that would be my choice, the other choice would to be to wait for the strike to be over and the market to stabilize before ordering non essential items.
Air travel is not essential for the most part, few exceptions, so if people have to pay more for that perk their wallets will decide and that will dictate the amount of seats available for sale.
Not the pilots problem unless that is the deciding factor for viability.
If all truckers walk off en mass, I would think they would be risking their jobs and non union shops would offer their jobs back at starting pay, union shops would be hit with illegal job action lawsuits, come on rookie, you’re smarter than that!

Anyway. I think the way truckers were demonized during the pandemic was horrific. I guess I am alone in that view.

You arent alone in that view. The only people treated worse were truckers who refused to take the shot. In going to try to stop calling it a vaccine cause it isn't one.

[lostaviator]

I’m curious if truckers, who make a fraction of a WJ captain, walked out on masse instead of protesting, shutting down the country, would this group support them? What about railway employees, same thing?

Just curious.

Well, since you are speaking out of your ass again, we are not talking about every pilot at every company shutting down the country.
If a trucking company with a union was in a legal strike position, I would wholeheartedly support them, even if it meant I had to wait or pay more to get my stuff but that would be my choice, the other choice would to be to wait for the strike to be over and the market to stabilize before ordering non essential items.
Air travel is not essential for the most part, few exceptions, so if people have to pay more for that perk their wallets will decide and that will dictate the amount of seats available for sale.
Not the pilots problem unless that is the deciding factor for viability.
If all truckers walk off en mass, I would think they would be risking their jobs and non union shops would offer their jobs back at starting pay, union shops would be hit with illegal job action lawsuits, come on rookie, you’re smarter than that!

Essential.

Now that is an interesting word.

During the pandemic it was essential that small businesses shut down, and big box stores selling exactly the same stuff stayed open.

Who decides what is essential?

Anyway. I think the way truckers were demonized during the pandemic was horrific. I guess I am alone in that view.

"Truckers" were not demonized during the pandemic. Some truckers and their supporters were (maybe, depending on your views).

Many truckers continued to deliver goods. A few hundred trucks entered Ottawa out of a few hundred thousand trucks registered across the country.

One of the lead organizers was not a trucker.

The outcome of the event was not against a certain profession - truckers. It was against a fringe political movement that was comprised of people from many different backgrounds and industries.