Government workers strike to impact pilot medicals

[rando]

Damn those freedum fighters are out all over again protesting in Ottawa. Hopefully the government calls in the police to break things up, and stop the noise. If required maybe trample some people with horses as they shout through their megaphones. We need the heavy hand of big gov to keep the peace. Hopefully freeland will also start freezing bank accounts.

[khedrei]

I know of a few people who work from home and can see the benefit and the appeal. One always pulls her weight. The rest are questionable at best and several do next to nothing. It is my opinion that people are LESS productive and probably happier because of that fact. I dont buy any of the studies that claim MORE productivity. It is also my opinion that MOST people are lazy by nature and will always look for ways to get out of work. There is a reason companies and making employees come back and its not cause they were more productive.

Regardless, its not hard to see that TC is not pulling their weight. I have a student who waited 9 months for a medical. I know, he did well right?! The emails and phone calls went unanswered. 6 hours on hold to be promptly disconnected at 1700. He went to the office to talk to someone. A security guard told him NO ONE is in the office and to call the number on the door to make an appointment and they might come in. Same number that had him on hold all day. A circle to nowhere. Try to convince him that government workers are working from home and more productive. Perhaps this is just TC and other departments are better... haha, I'm just kidding. Look at the passport office.

Rando brings up very good points. We are paying for the last three years. If anyone thought there wouldn't be consequences for shutting the planet down for zero evidence of gain, they were living in an alternate reality. Im tired of saying I told you so. I've been saying it since literally the day they announced the shut down.

[cdnavater]

Why is this is the Jazz forum?

[North Shore]

*Moved into General Comments*

[rando]

If anyone thought there wouldn't be consequences for shutting the planet down for zero evidence of gain, they were living in an alternate reality. Im tired of saying I told you so. I've been saying it since literally the day they announced the shut down.

People live in this alternative reality. My problem with liberals is they think they are hero's because they say everyone should get free health care, everyone should get free dental.

What this translates to is liberals want to borrow money from the generations that aren't even born yet. They want to borrow and inflate and pass this problem to the future. I'm ok with dental for all, but you have to pay for it. Balance the budget, take all the taxes and decide how you want to spend it. When you run out of cash, you run out of programs.

You want lockdowns? You want CERB? Bitch that ain't free. You don't get your cake and eat it too. Pay up, this wasn't cheap! And since no one wants to pay more taxes we are just going to inflate our way out of our trouble. Our fake Canadian bucks are worth less and therefore we make less.

100 percent we would have been better off without the gov policy over the pandemic. And like you said, you told us so. We gave a mile and got an inch with our pandemic response. Workers going to eat inflation for a long time because this is what corrupt gov costs.

[Blueontop]

They are doing because people don't want to come back and many places are having a hard time finding employees . Doesn't mean it will work long term. And I can't wait for people to start complaining when companies start shipping all these jobs remotely to other countries.

Are you going to provide some studies? I hope you see the irony considering you are calling others lazy. You also cherry pick my points and don't respond to the rest. Do you think people will be more productive if they have a 3 hour commute on top of their work day?

Most don't have a 3 hr commute.

Definitely in YYZ GTA 1.5 hours each way I’d believe. And that probably on a good day.

[khedrei]

Depends where you live. I had a 60km commute for years. Through one of the worst areas in the city hwy 7 and keele 401 just east of the airport. 1hr 10 on average during rush hour. But a bit before or after I could break an hour. 40 minutes off peak times.

[TG]

Rando brings up very good points. We are paying for the last three years. If anyone thought there wouldn't be consequences for shutting the planet down for zero evidence of gain, they were living in an alternate reality. Im tired of saying I told you so. I've been saying it since literally the day they announced the shut down.

I don’t think anyone is arguing the fact that there would be no consequences for, as you put it « shutting down the planet » Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

This said, stuff are definitely not right with TC.

[khedrei]

Rando brings up very good points. We are paying for the last three years. If anyone thought there wouldn't be consequences for shutting the planet down for zero evidence of gain, they were living in an alternate reality. Im tired of saying I told you so. I've been saying it since literally the day they announced the shut down.

I don’t think anyone is arguing the fact that there would be no consequences for, as you put it « shutting down the planet » Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

This said, stuff are definitely not right with TC.

Well since you appear to be on the side that thinks the response was necessary, how about you show me a single life that was saved due to lockdowns. Im just looking for ONE person who is alive today that would otherwise not have been had we not locked down. I mean, our amazing government must have had some virologists giving them advice. The evidence must be out there to support it that you could find for me. Cause I can't. Im just looking for one name.

When it comes to gain there couldn't be enough in our wildest dreams to make the cost worth it. We will never recover from the damage that was done from this. Maybe our great grand children will....

[rando]

Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

Virologists/epidemiologists are not experts of all things. How would they have answers about the net gain encompassing economic, health, social outcomes etc.

“Experts” in pandemics started salivating like “finally this is my time! I get to put my skills to use that I got ejumicated for!”. They got so hard about the pandemic happening they ignored the reality of what was going on because they wanted it to be their huge problem to solve. The focus was on stoking the fire, not putting it out. They wanted to be hero’s so badly they were pretending the sky was falling so they could be our saviours. Losers! No respect for these “experts”

[goldeneagle]

Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

Virologists/epidemiologists are not experts of all things. How would they have answers about the net gain encompassing economic, health, social outcomes etc.

“Experts” in pandemics started salivating like “finally this is my time! I get to put my skills to use that I got ejumicated for!”. They got so hard about the pandemic happening they ignored the reality of what was going on because they wanted it to be their huge problem to solve. The focus was on stoking the fire, not putting it out. They wanted to be hero’s so badly they were pretending the sky was falling so they could be our saviours. Losers! No respect for these “experts”

Would you folks please take this BS off to the BS corner that the intelligent folks here avoid. Getting sick and tired of all the facebook experts that know better. You sound just like entitled airline passengers telling the crew how to fly an airplane and why it's unacceptble to be late just because you are waiting in line for the deice bay, if you just skip that you'll be on time.

[TG]

Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

Virologists/epidemiologists are not experts of all things. How would they have answers about the net gain encompassing economic, health, social outcomes etc.

True, I guess that's where the politicians high up in the food chain would step on. I mean the ones who have most of the cards at hand to play and make the best decisions possible for the country. Can't please everybody in politics but the idea is to minimise collateral.

Well since you appear to be on the side that thinks the response was necessary, how about you show me a single life that was saved due to lockdowns. Im just looking for ONE person who is alive today that would otherwise not have been had we not locked down. I mean, our amazing government must have had some virologists giving them advice. The evidence must be out there to support it that you could find for me. Cause I can't. Im just looking for one name.

When it comes to gain there couldn't be enough in our wildest dreams to make the cost worth it. We will never recover from the damage that was done from this. Maybe our great grand children will....

Right off the bat I would say my mother.

I'm going to bring an example close to aviation.
Will you argue after a crew who said no to a flight on safety ground!? Like weather, snag, sickness, Notams in the way, etc... take your pick!
Remember, where you stand will affect your judgment. Being part of this crew as a pilot or being one but not participating in this flight, private licence, commercial, ATPL, being the owner of the aircraft or the company or a Karen with no clue sitting in the back.
With all due respect You are the Karen, having no clue but knowing it all and just complaining. Jerryrig is her Chihuahua thinking he's going to die as soon as someone is staring at him.

At the time of Covid, no lockdown, no restrictions, no vaccinations, I'm not sure how you would have run a country with a third (!?) Or more of people calling in sick at the same time A good bunch in the hospital, the weak ones dying?
We are now pretty much done with all that stuff but long Covid all by itself is keeping somewhere around 500,000 to a million full-time-equivalent workers out of work in the States! Maybe that's one of the many reasons TC is not very productif right now, who knows...

It's nearly impossible to change a Karen's mind so I will leave you where you stand. Me!? I'm Joe Blow, not complaining in this case because like the Karens, I don't have all the clues at hand to make a proper decision all by myself.




Give it a fucking rest...

[cdnavater]

Rando brings up very good points. We are paying for the last three years. If anyone thought there wouldn't be consequences for shutting the planet down for zero evidence of gain, they were living in an alternate reality. Im tired of saying I told you so. I've been saying it since literally the day they announced the shut down.

I don’t think anyone is arguing the fact that there would be no consequences for, as you put it « shutting down the planet » Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

This said, stuff are definitely not right with TC.

Well since you appear to be on the side that thinks the response was necessary, how about you show me a single life that was saved due to lockdowns. Im just looking for ONE person who is alive today that would otherwise not have been had we not locked down. I mean, our amazing government must have had some virologists giving them advice. The evidence must be out there to support it that you could find for me. Cause I can't. Im just looking for one name.

When it comes to gain there couldn't be enough in our wildest dreams to make the cost worth it. We will never recover from the damage that was done from this. Maybe our great grand children will....

Is this guy for real?
Show me one baby that was prevented from being born due to wearing a condom, just one who would have been born except for the condom and is now not born?
How do you prove that, someone who was guaranteed to die but didn’t die, are you serious.
Show me a flight that would’ve crashed but didn’t because of the rules, surely every single flight would’ve crashed except for the rules, the example of ridiculous logic are everywhere there is a preventative measure put in place for safety, you can’t prove it worked, you have to assume it could’ve or would’ve been worse had we not!

[khedrei]

I am in fact a real boy....

Interesting that you think its acceptable to continue to implement lockdiwns without evidence that they worked. Somehow this method of doing things was never acceptable until 2020. We never made knowingly destructive widespread arbitrary public policy decisions without evidence. Well not until 2020.

How about we take US states that locked down vs ones who didn't. The results were all over the place. In both ways not corresponding with those who locked down or the severity of the lockdowns or when they were implemented.

So you think your mother was saved by closing down my workplace and the workplaces of many others? You are aware that if she was at such risk she could have stayed home right? No need to destroy everyone else's lives. Its not really that I dont believe she was saved, its that I dont buy it. You would have said any name. My point was that anyone who was at risk could have been mitigated in other ways.

You can call me whatever Karen name you want. It won't change your level of mass psychosis. You're so brainwashed they could have told you to shower in bleach before going into the grocery store and you would have.

I can name plenty of peoples lives that were ruined or damaged severely due to this nonsense. Can't think of anyone who is better off today aside from the most very rich who are now richer.

[khedrei]

I don’t think anyone is arguing the fact that there would be no consequences for, as you put it « shutting down the planet » Where we diverge is « for zero evidence of gain » You’ll have to be a virologist for that.

This said, stuff are definitely not right with TC.

Well since you appear to be on the side that thinks the response was necessary, how about you show me a single life that was saved due to lockdowns. Im just looking for ONE person who is alive today that would otherwise not have been had we not locked down. I mean, our amazing government must have had some virologists giving them advice. The evidence must be out there to support it that you could find for me. Cause I can't. Im just looking for one name.

When it comes to gain there couldn't be enough in our wildest dreams to make the cost worth it. We will never recover from the damage that was done from this. Maybe our great grand children will....

Is this guy for real?
Show me one baby that was prevented from being born due to wearing a condom, just one who would have been born except for the condom and is now not born?
How do you prove that, someone who was guaranteed to die but didn’t die, are you serious.
Show me a flight that would’ve crashed but didn’t because of the rules, surely every single flight would’ve crashed except for the rules, the example of ridiculous logic are everywhere there is a preventative measure put in place for safety, you can’t prove it worked, you have to assume it could’ve or would’ve been worse had we not!

Actually you can prove it worked. We do this all the time. We study accidents, figure out likely causes, come up with well thought out ways to deal with them and change rules accordingly. Then do more studies. If those types of accidents go down, that's pretty good evidence that the new rule worked. So while my anecdote was meant to be cleaver, the details are better explained here.

What did we do when it came to lockdowns? We did no studies, no risk benefit analysis, no thought of potential damage, no thought about a sensible controlled application. Just made up arbitrary nonsensical rules and numbers of how many people you could have over or distance to stand apart and made it sound virtuous. We burned down the house to get rid of the wasps nest and then when someone questioned it we said "well we HAVE to do something what would you do instead? Do you have a better idea?"

And then, when all these non thought out policies didn't work, when cases were still going up, people were still dying "WITH" covid, the solution... do it harder. Lock down more. When that didn't work, do it even harder. Arrest people. Take away peoples will to live until they comply. Evidence? Who needs that crap! Its science!

[Little Star]

Earning an equitable and livable income is not a crime.