Attn recruiters: this is how to write a job ad

[Bede]

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Nice job North Shore.

[digits_]

http://avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1254649

Nice job North Shore.

Still no salary in the posting though.... If you're the highest paying operator, why not mention it in the ad?

I'll send in a resume claiming to be the most experienced but not mention my hours.

50% of the ad can be replaced by the salary.

[RoAF-Mig21]

http://avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1254649

Nice job North Shore.

Still no salary in the posting though.... If you're the highest paying operator, why not mention it in the ad?

I'll send in a resume claiming to be the most experienced but not mention my hours.

50% of the ad can be replaced by the salary.

Agreed! We should all send our resumes as "Extremely experienced pilot in various positions".

[YC87DRVR]

That ad is quite possibly the worst job ad I’ve ever seen. The usual lack of info we typically see if better than the bumbling and rambling diatribe of this ad. I mean how many times do you need to talk about the salary without actually saying the salary.
Also, “highest paying non executive job in this sector”. Bold claim if you’re talking non-airline aviation(not a chance) what sector would that be? West Coast float beaver pilots is a pretty small part of aviation, not really an award winning claim. But hey, for an job ad that boasts allow you to exit the rental market, the bar is pretty low I guess.

[bigredone]

The 1st rule about fight club...

[digits_]

Shall we get a pool going as to what the salary actually is? If everything in the ad is true, it should be around 180k/year.

However I think it will be more like 120k.

[Pacqing]

When Rupert is mentioned I always think of that story of the S African family who's daughter was alergic to the sun and they searched the globe (maybe N America) for the place with the least sunshine. They moved to Prince Rupert.

[Bede]

That ad is quite possibly the worst job ad I’ve ever seen. The usual lack of info we typically see if better than the bumbling and rambling diatribe of this ad. I mean how many times do you need to talk about the salary without actually saying the salary.
Also, “highest paying non executive job in this sector”. Bold claim if you’re talking non-airline aviation(not a chance) what sector would that be? West Coast float beaver pilots is a pretty small part of aviation, not really an award winning claim. But hey, for an job ad that boasts allow you to exit the rental market, the bar is pretty low I guess.

Maybe he should have stuck with looking for a highly motivated and results-driven beaver pilot to join his dynamic team! The ideal candidate will have a proven track record of success in leveraging cross-functional collaboration to drive scalable solutions that optimize strategic alignment and maximize stakeholder value develop and execute on innovative cross-functional strategies that foster a culture of continuous improvement and promote sustainable growth.

The guy knew his audience and if I lived in Rupert, I'd be giving it a second look.

I don't know why the hang-up with listing salary. I've heard the arguments before, but I maintain that at places like this the salary is negotiable, not a fixed scale. If I apply and ask for too much, that's their waste of time.

[DonutHole]

http://avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1254649

Nice job North Shore.

Still no salary in the posting though.... If you're the highest paying operator, why not mention it in the ad?

I'll send in a resume claiming to be the most experienced but not mention my hours.

50% of the ad can be replaced by the salary.

I suspect if the salary is as good as claimed that the operator would be inundated with unqualified applicants.

if youre curious you could follow the directions and ask

or you could just talk out your bum bum, that's a lot easier

[DonutHole]

Shall we get a pool going as to what the salary actually is? If everything in the ad is true, it should be around 180k/year.

However I think it will be more like 120k.

lol, there aren't any beaver pilots earning 180k unless their duties include executive responsibilities.

120k for 500 hours on a beaver is top level pay

[DonutHole]

That ad is quite possibly the worst job ad I’ve ever seen. The usual lack of info we typically see if better than the bumbling and rambling diatribe of this ad. I mean how many times do you need to talk about the salary without actually saying the salary.
Also, “highest paying non executive job in this sector”. Bold claim if you’re talking non-airline aviation(not a chance) what sector would that be? West Coast float beaver pilots is a pretty small part of aviation, not really an award winning claim. But hey, for an job ad that boasts allow you to exit the rental market, the bar is pretty low I guess.

tell me you dont meet the requirements without telling me you dont meet the requirements

[‘Bob’]

Ever consider it might be my waste of time?

How much you want to bet they don’t offer salary over email, over the phone, or even in person after an $700 flight or 18 hour drive? What’s the harm in putting out salary if it’s so good? “Hurting other people’s feelings.” What a cop out.

Maybe they did their own form of Hollywood accounting?

“Well maybe if a house in PR costs $400k and a house in Vancouver costs $1.8 mill… it’s like we are paying $300k a year!”

“If this pilot flies CARS maximums during the summer and stays for the ‘retention bonus’ then they will make more than Harbour Air pilots!”

And there’s a reason nobody lives there. The weather makes Vancouver seem like Phoenix and the closest Costco is 8 hours away. Great for some… probably not their target market of seaplane pilots.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!

[DonutHole]

I'm sure complaining about an ad for a job that you aren't going to apply for is a much better use of your time.

carry on

[digits_]

I'm sure complaining about an ad for a job that you aren't going to apply for is a much better use of your time.

carry on

What about complaining about people complaining about a job ad you aren't going to apply for?

[TeePeeCreeper]

Ever consider it might be my waste of time?

How much you want to bet they don’t offer salary over email, over the phone, or even in person after an $700 flight or 18 hour drive? What’s the harm in putting out salary if it’s so good? “Hurting other people’s feelings.” What a cop out.

BS.

I wrote to them and received a prompt reply. Heck I didn’t even ask about the pay but they were very proud to tell me about it and rightfully so.

To anyone with the skill set required for this job, I can’t think of anyone else on the West coast I’d rather work for.

Great company, genuinely nice and honest people.

If it weren’t for being somewhere else in my career, I’d go back in a flash.

TPC

[DonutHole]

I'm sure complaining about an ad for a job that you aren't going to apply for is a much better use of your time.

carry on

What about complaining about people complaining about a job ad you aren't going to apply for?

I'm not the one who brought wasting time into the conversation

[North Shore]

http://avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1254649

Nice job North Shore.

Geez, thanks, Bede.
Thing is, it's *not* my job ad! I just posted it on behalf of Inland Air, as they were having trouble doing so..
I would expect that those who are qualified will get a reply, including a salary range; those that are not, or who are just stirring the pot, will not...

[‘Bob’]

Ever consider it might be my waste of time?

How much you want to bet they don’t offer salary over email, over the phone, or even in person after an $700 flight or 18 hour drive? What’s the harm in putting out salary if it’s so good? “Hurting other people’s feelings.” What a cop out.

BS.

I wrote to them and received a prompt reply. Heck I didn’t even ask about the pay but they were very proud to tell me about it and rightfully so.

To anyone with the skill set required for this job, I can’t think of anyone else on the West coast I’d rather work for.

Great company, genuinely nice and honest people.

If it weren’t for being somewhere else in my career, I’d go back in a flash.

TPC

Ok. Good for you and good for them, I guess.

I don't have the skills required and flogging a piston Beaver on the west coast isn't exactly my cup of tea even if I did.

I actually just researched this company because the other float operator in Rupert is shutting down and I was very impressed by their slogan right on their website that they don't push weather. Something far overdue for west coast operators.

I just don't understand why the secrecy in pay. That's another thing that needs to be expunged from this industry because it only serves the employers not the employees.

Even for those who don't get hired, it sets precedents in the industry and costs the operator nothing if they are already offering it.

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Hey, the salary has gotta be pretty good if you can exit the rental space in PR
How sad Canadian aviation has become that operators are bragging about the fact that pilots can afford to buy a house in a place like PR.

[DonutHole]

Hey, the salary has gotta be pretty good if you can exit the rental space in PR
How sad Canadian aviation has become that operators are bragging about the fact that pilots can afford to buy a house in a place like PR.

the best thing about places like rupert is that people like this guy will never be your neighbour

I know what the salary is. you could not only afford to escape the rental class in rupert, you could buy yourself a replica of the ivory tower that loading dude lives in

[digits_]

Shall we get a pool going as to what the salary actually is? If everything in the ad is true, it should be around 180k/year.

However I think it will be more like 120k.

lol, there aren't any beaver pilots earning 180k unless their duties include executive responsibilities.

120k for 500 hours on a beaver is top level pay

I take it the salary is way closer to 120k than to 180k?

[DonutHole]

you can take it as "much more than the industry standard for the job"

[digits_]

you can take it as "much more than the industry standard for the job"

Right. And what is the industry standard for the job?

[DonutHole]

you can take it as "much more than the industry standard for the job"

Right. And what is the industry standard for the job?

You seem to be the expert, you tell me.

[‘Bob’]

Unless someone is actually going to say what the wage is…

…plus everything attached to it ($120k is not the same as $120k with benefits, matching pension, passes, vacation, and coverage so you can actually take vacation)….

…then it might as well be $500 with a percentage of delusional aviationdom believing it’s good.