Delta now hiring Air Canada pilots

[LegoMan]

Looks like Delta came through and started hiring from Air Canada. Someone on my Linkedin was just picked up. Rumour has it 11-12 pilots in the last months, all with 10+ experience at AC. Pressure is on Air Canada! $$$$$

[elgordo777]

Any pilot who wants to work in the US needs a visa sponsorship (H1B,Green Card, and to a lesser extent a student F1) or already has the right to work in the US. You can look up which companies have sponsored visas or green cards fairly easily doing a quick search online, there are databases. Delta, has not sponsored anyone. Therefore, anyone going south already has the right to work in the US, or has self petitioned for a NIW, which is certainly far from obtainable for most people.

Additionally, you need a FAA ATP for any of the jobs you might find, sponsored or not. Some people might have it already, but it is still something that costs money and time when you throw in the CTP course. Most folks in Canada wont have this without committing quite of bit of effort and planning.

Don't take this the wrong way, but claiming Delta is picking up AC pilots is just fantasy. Anyone who has put in some research knows its not true, and not that simple.

Here are the options to move to usa
-Be American or marry and American
-Get a NIW (crapshoot unless your an astronaut) but some have done it
-Be Australian or Chilean - get a EB3
-Get a H1B sponsorship- Its non immigration, only good for a few years. Air Wisconsin used to do it.
-Get a Green Card sponsorship - The holy grail, there is a law firm or two i know of that have partnered with a few lesser know carriers. They charge you $40k US and you must commit time to those companies.
-Go to school in the USA and do your STEM time, 1500ish hours of flying employment and then times up. Find a spouse to marry or find a sponsor, time to leave if you don't.

Delta isn't sponsoring anyone, and with the Unions fighting for more money, I doubt they every will. They don't need to.

[flyingjerry]

Any pilot who wants to work in the US needs a visa sponsorship (H1B,Green Card, and to a lesser extent a student F1) or already has the right to work in the US. You can look up which companies have sponsored visas or green cards fairly easily doing a quick search online, there are databases. Delta, has not sponsored anyone. Therefore, anyone going south already has the right to work in the US, or has self petitioned for a NIW, which is certainly far from obtainable for most people.

Additionally, you need a FAA ATP for any of the jobs you might find, sponsored or not. Some people might have it already, but it is still something that costs money and time when you throw in the CTP course. Most folks in Canada wont have this without committing quite of bit of effort and planning.

Don't take this the wrong way, but claiming Delta is picking up AC pilots is just fantasy. Anyone who has put in some research knows its not true, and not that simple.

Here are the options to move to usa
-Be American or marry and American
-Get a NIW (crapshoot unless your an astronaut) but some have done it
-Be Australian or Chilean - get a EB3 - They are eligible for an E3. An EB3 is based on occupation, whereas the E3 based on citizenship.
-Get a H1B sponsorship- Its non immigration, only good for a few years. Air Wisconsin used to do it.
-Get a Green Card sponsorship - The holy grail, there is a law firm or two i know of that have partnered with a few lesser know carriers. They charge you $40k US and you must commit time to those companies. - There are no green cards available for Canadian pilots other than having a go at the EB2 NIW. However, I have heard of flight instructors going over as "teachers"
-Go to school in the USA and do your STEM time, 1500ish hours of flying employment and then times up. Find a spouse to marry or find a sponsor, time to leave if you don't.

Delta isn't sponsoring anyone, and with the Unions fighting for more money, I doubt they every will. They don't need to.

Slight corrections

[LegoMan]

This individual is not American or married and was residing in Canada and never worked in U.S. before.

But anyways there are also L1B visas (transferring inter-company and then pursuing flying. This one is path to citizenship), EB1 which may be the one this individual got in with and F4 which is the one my application is in with. (8 years left to wait, yay!)

Just looking in 2020 there are several airlines that put forth H1B visas including:
Rank H1B Visa Sponsor Number of LCA * Average Salary
1 Skywest Airlines 29 $112,829
2 Champlain Enterprises 25 $78,810
3 Trans States Airlines 21 $77,896
4 Mesa Airlines 10 $74,880
5 Expressjet Airlines 3 $84,587
6 Gojet Airlines 3 $78,811
7 Evolveair 2 $111,592
8 National Air Cargo Group 2 $57,500
9 Kitty Hawk 1 $180,000

Skywest has 16 DEC applications with H1B visa.

[flying4dollars]

This individual is not American or married and was residing in Canada and never worked in U.S. before.

But anyways there are also L1B visas (transferring inter-company and then pursuing flying. This one is path to citizenship), EB1 which may be the one this individual got in with and F4 which is the one my application is in with. (8 years left to wait, yay!)

Just looking in 2020 there are several airlines that put forth H1B visas including:
Rank H1B Visa Sponsor Number of LCA * Average Salary
1 Skywest Airlines 29 $112,829
2 Champlain Enterprises 25 $78,810
3 Trans States Airlines 21 $77,896
4 Mesa Airlines 10 $74,880
5 Expressjet Airlines 3 $84,587
6 Gojet Airlines 3 $78,811
7 Evolveair 2 $111,592
8 National Air Cargo Group 2 $57,500
9 Kitty Hawk 1 $180,000

Skywest has 16 DEC applications with H1B visa.

Unless you have 1000hrs part 121 experience, you cannot be a DEC in the USA.

[Cap'n P8]

This individual is not American or married and was residing in Canada and never worked in U.S. before.

But anyways there are also L1B visas (transferring inter-company and then pursuing flying. This one is path to citizenship), EB1 which may be the one this individual got in with and F4 which is the one my application is in with. (8 years left to wait, yay!)

Just looking in 2020 there are several airlines that put forth H1B visas including:
Rank H1B Visa Sponsor Number of LCA * Average Salary
1 Skywest Airlines 29 $112,829
2 Champlain Enterprises 25 $78,810
3 Trans States Airlines 21 $77,896
4 Mesa Airlines 10 $74,880
5 Expressjet Airlines 3 $84,587
6 Gojet Airlines 3 $78,811
7 Evolveair 2 $111,592
8 National Air Cargo Group 2 $57,500
9 Kitty Hawk 1 $180,000

Skywest has 16 DEC applications with H1B visa.

Unless you have 1000hrs part 121 experience, you cannot be a DEC in the USA.

I believe the 1000 hr requirement is to act as PIC in part 121, but it doesn’t have to be PIC in 121. Time can be in 121, 135, and possibly even 91K. Apparently Skywest has a charter department that operates part 135…or so I’ve heard.

[flying4dollars]

This individual is not American or married and was residing in Canada and never worked in U.S. before.

But anyways there are also L1B visas (transferring inter-company and then pursuing flying. This one is path to citizenship), EB1 which may be the one this individual got in with and F4 which is the one my application is in with. (8 years left to wait, yay!)

Just looking in 2020 there are several airlines that put forth H1B visas including:
Rank H1B Visa Sponsor Number of LCA * Average Salary
1 Skywest Airlines 29 $112,829
2 Champlain Enterprises 25 $78,810
3 Trans States Airlines 21 $77,896
4 Mesa Airlines 10 $74,880
5 Expressjet Airlines 3 $84,587
6 Gojet Airlines 3 $78,811
7 Evolveair 2 $111,592
8 National Air Cargo Group 2 $57,500
9 Kitty Hawk 1 $180,000

Skywest has 16 DEC applications with H1B visa.

Unless you have 1000hrs part 121 experience, you cannot be a DEC in the USA.

I believe the 1000 hr requirement is to act as PIC in part 121, but it doesn’t have to be PIC in 121. Time can be in 121, 135, and possibly even 91K. Apparently Skywest has a charter department that operates part 135…or so I’ve heard.

Yeah but you can't be a direct entry captain at Skywest without 1000hrs 121 experience. If you're needing the H1B visa, you likely won't have 1000 hours 121 to act as PIC. That's what I was getting at.

[Cap'n P8]

Unless you have 1000hrs part 121 experience, you cannot be a DEC in the USA.

I believe the 1000 hr requirement is to act as PIC in part 121, but it doesn’t have to be PIC in 121. Time can be in 121, 135, and possibly even 91K. Apparently Skywest has a charter department that operates part 135…or so I’ve heard.

Yeah but you can't be a direct entry captain at Skywest without 1000hrs 121 experience. If you're needing the H1B visa, you likely won't have 1000 hours 121 to act as PIC. That's what I was getting at.

Re-read what I wrote…I’ve heard that they can hire you DEC into their part 135 operation. You get a 1000 hrs and can then move into their 121 operation. The 1000 hrs required to be PIC in a part 121 operation does NOT need to be flown under part 121. PIC time under part 135 counts towards the 1000 hrs.

[Cap'n P8]

Google skywest part 135

[flying4dollars]

I believe the 1000 hr requirement is to act as PIC in part 121, but it doesn’t have to be PIC in 121. Time can be in 121, 135, and possibly even 91K. Apparently Skywest has a charter department that operates part 135…or so I’ve heard.

Yeah but you can't be a direct entry captain at Skywest without 1000hrs 121 experience. If you're needing the H1B visa, you likely won't have 1000 hours 121 to act as PIC. That's what I was getting at.

Re-read what I wrote…I’ve heard that they can hire you DEC into their part 135 operation. You get a 1000 hrs and can then move into their 121 operation. The 1000 hrs required to be PIC in a part 121 operation does NOT need to be flown under part 121. PIC time under part 135 counts towards the 1000 hrs.

I see what you're saying now. I misinterpreted your first post. However, if you're a Canadian going to the US without any part XXX time, can you still be hired into a PIC position even at a 135 operation? (I don't know the regs there).

[Mach .28]

I believe the 1000 hr requirement is to act as PIC in part 121, but it doesn’t have to be PIC in 121. Time can be in 121, 135, and possibly even 91K. Apparently Skywest has a charter department that operates part 135…or so I’ve heard.

Yeah but you can't be a direct entry captain at Skywest without 1000hrs 121 experience. If you're needing the H1B visa, you likely won't have 1000 hours 121 to act as PIC. That's what I was getting at.

Re-read what I wrote…I’ve heard that they can hire you DEC into their part 135 operation. You get a 1000 hrs and can then move into their 121 operation. The 1000 hrs required to be PIC in a part 121 operation does NOT need to be flown under part 121. PIC time under part 135 counts towards the 1000 hrs.

If you can get the NIW...they will even help reimburse some of the cost and do the FAA conversion for you......


Below from a Job Ad....



"We are excited to partner with SkyWest Charter to recruit CRJ200 Captains, rated and non-rated. These are permanent positions offering the opportunity for pilots to obtain visa sponsorship to live and work in the US.

This is one of the best opportunities available to start flying in the US. In addition to receiving up to USD5,000 of relocation assistance, after the successful completion of training you will be reimbursed for EB2W visa fees. You will then enjoy excellent benefits while working for the airline.

SkyWest Charter is a subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc.

Benefits:

EB2-NIW visa fees reimbursed after completion of training
E3 visa sponsorship (if eligible)
FAA licence conversion provided
Relocation assistance provided up to USD$5000
Part 135 Training – Salt Lake City, Utah (Sim training locations vary)
Accommodation and airfare to training
60-hour guarantee per bid period
Minimum 15 days worked per month
Deadhead Pay - 100% flight pay for the scheduled block time of the deadhead
Industry-leading 401(K) program
Health, Dental and Vision
Flying experience in various airports in the U.S.
Family-oriented company culture focusing on high quality of life"

[Invertago]

Can we get a dating sub form for mail order Canadian pilots seeking American partners for green cards? Maybe a 90 day fiancé type scenario?

[Cap'n P8]

Yeah but you can't be a direct entry captain at Skywest without 1000hrs 121 experience. If you're needing the H1B visa, you likely won't have 1000 hours 121 to act as PIC. That's what I was getting at.

Re-read what I wrote…I’ve heard that they can hire you DEC into their part 135 operation. You get a 1000 hrs and can then move into their 121 operation. The 1000 hrs required to be PIC in a part 121 operation does NOT need to be flown under part 121. PIC time under part 135 counts towards the 1000 hrs.

I see what you're saying now. I misinterpreted your first post. However, if you're a Canadian going to the US without any part XXX time, can you still be hired into a PIC position even at a 135 operation? (I don't know the regs there).

I believe you can. That is how they’re offering that. I took a quick look. It just lists the total flight experience, and does not reference flying under any specific subpart.

[Ash Ketchum]

Still doesn't look like there is much of a shot to get to the US outside of marriage, family, or the EB-2 NIW (long shot for most) unfortunately. I am currently at a major Canadian airline and have my FAA ATP and have cold called/emailed most US airline HR departments (including regionals) and have been told the same thing - unless you are Australian/Chilean/Singaporean we would love to have you but you need to find your own sponsorship. I would leave my right seat job on the 320 to sit right seat at a regional on a CRJ 200 if that meant a green card down the road.

[FL030]

Ok but Delta. How do we get to Delta?

[canadian_aviator_4]

Still doesn't look like there is much of a shot to get to the US outside of marriage, family, or the EB-2 NIW (long shot for most) unfortunately. I am currently at a major Canadian airline and have my FAA ATP and have cold called/emailed most US airline HR departments (including regionals) and have been told the same thing - unless you are Australian/Chilean/Singaporean we would love to have you but you need to find your own sponsorship. I would leave my right seat job on the 320 to sit right seat at a regional on a CRJ 200 if that meant a green card down the road.

It’s still strange Chileans and Singaporeans, but not the USA’s #2 trading partner (2nd to China) and closest Ally. However creating more work visa opportunities for other countries outside of Australia could be a sign of things to come, and hopefully Canada soon.

[Arnie Pye]

The only way it will change is if the US becomes desperate enough that the demand from the corporate level becomes louder than the union fighting against immigration.

If you really want to find a way there, contact the HR departments and let them know you are out there. Next, contact the house transportation committee and every other politician out there. Tell them they have a source of 10,000 hour pilots 200 km from their border with no way to get down there. Emphasize that we all meet the 1500 hour rule in place for safety and that we would be the easiest solution to their staffing problems.

Bitching and moaning isn't going to change anything. Lobbying will.

[dumbbell daddy]

This is 100% false. This rumour has been going on at Air Canada for a couple years now. Probably started by the former delusional old dino MEC. What makes Air Canada pilots so special compared to Westjet or Transat? If anything you would find more experience pilots at these other carriers. 3/4 of Air Canada’s PIT course the last few years has been filled with low experience GGN/Jazz/Sky pilots

[Inverted2]

Still doesn't look like there is much of a shot to get to the US outside of marriage, family, or the EB-2 NIW (long shot for most) unfortunately. I am currently at a major Canadian airline and have my FAA ATP and have cold called/emailed most US airline HR departments (including regionals) and have been told the same thing - unless you are Australian/Chilean/Singaporean we would love to have you but you need to find your own sponsorship. I would leave my right seat job on the 320 to sit right seat at a regional on a CRJ 200 if that meant a green card down the road.

It’s still strange Chileans and Singaporeans, but not the USA’s #2 trading partner (2nd to China) and closest Ally. However creating more work visa opportunities for other countries outside of Australia could be a sign of things to come, and hopefully Canada soon.

That is strange they would take someone from the other side of the world over someone like myself who flies the same exact planes to all their busiest airports and has 11000+hrs of 705 (their part 121) experience. Must be some back room deal between the Can/US governments to keep the door shut.

[JHR]

Still doesn't look like there is much of a shot to get to the US outside of marriage, family, or the EB-2 NIW (long shot for most) unfortunately. I am currently at a major Canadian airline and have my FAA ATP and have cold called/emailed most US airline HR departments (including regionals) and have been told the same thing - unless you are Australian/Chilean/Singaporean we would love to have you but you need to find your own sponsorship. I would leave my right seat job on the 320 to sit right seat at a regional on a CRJ 200 if that meant a green card down the road.

It’s still strange Chileans and Singaporeans, but not the USA’s #2 trading partner (2nd to China) and closest Ally. However creating more work visa opportunities for other countries outside of Australia could be a sign of things to come, and hopefully Canada soon.

That is strange they would take someone from the other side of the world over someone like myself who flies the same exact planes to all their busiest airports and has 11000+hrs of 705 (their part 121) experience. Must be some back room deal between the Can/US governments to keep the door shut.

I have suspected this for years. Heard rumblings but never any definitive proof

[mmm...bacon]

That is strange they would take someone from the other side of the world over someone like myself who flies the same exact planes to all their busiest airports and has 11000+hrs of 705 (their part 121) experience. Must be some back room deal between the Can/US governments to keep the door shut.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to hear that some industry body here in Canada had bent the ear of a transport minister, who in turn had called his counterpart in DC, in order to deny Canadian pilots access to the US market.

[Inverted2]

That is strange they would take someone from the other side of the world over someone like myself who flies the same exact planes to all their busiest airports and has 11000+hrs of 705 (their part 121) experience. Must be some back room deal between the Can/US governments to keep the door shut.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to hear that some industry body here in Canada had bent the ear of a transport minister, who in turn had called his counterpart in DC, in order to deny Canadian pilots access to the US market.

These ears?

[TeePeeCreeper]

That is strange they would take someone from the other side of the world over someone like myself who flies the same exact planes to all their busiest airports and has 11000+hrs of 705 (their part 121) experience. Must be some back room deal between the Can/US governments to keep the door shut.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to hear that some industry body here in Canada had bent the ear of a transport minister, who in turn had called his counterpart in DC, in order to deny Canadian pilots access to the US market.

These ears?

Seriously? I too may not be a fan of the guy but childish insults only serve to demonstrate that your childhood bullying of other’s continued on in adulthood.

Wow, just wow.


TPC

[LegoMan]

Can we get a dating sub form for mail order Canadian pilots seeking American partners for green cards? Maybe a 90 day fiancé type scenario?

You could probably earn more money selling this idea to a network than from flying.

[LegoMan]

The only way it will change is if the US becomes desperate enough that the demand from the corporate level becomes louder than the union fighting against immigration.

If you really want to find a way there, contact the HR departments and let them know you are out there. Next, contact the house transportation committee and every other politician out there. Tell them they have a source of 10,000 hour pilots 200 km from their border with no way to get down there. Emphasize that we all meet the 1500 hour rule in place for safety and that we would be the easiest solution to their staffing problems.

Bitching and moaning isn't going to change anything. Lobbying will.

The union won't win this. They don't want to extend the retirement age to 67, they don't want to reduce the 1500 hour requirement and they don't want to hire from abroad. Eventually something has to give and my prediction is they will have no choice but to hire 'experienced' airline pilots from abroad. The union is taking advantage of the shortage for negotiations but pilots are burned out and flights are getting cancelled. If a republican is in office they will side with the airlines for these visas.