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Should WestJet management pilots side with the company or their pilot coworkers?

Management pilots should side with their pilot coworkers & not fly, train or outsource.
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Management pilots should continue as directed by the CEO & ignore the other pilots.
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Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by CanadaAir »

The WestJet management pilots have knowledge of how bad the conditions are for pilots.
When they started some of the management pilots worked ramp, the north or instructed.

These management pilots now have the ability to side with the WestJet pilots, improve the industry and advocate internally for improved conditions.
Or they can side with the new foreign CEO, who isn't a Canadian and who they barely know.

Do they side with their WestJet pilot colleagues that they've flown beside for years?

Will they work to obtain a higher salary for all pilots, which includes their own as a pilot? Which could be as high as their current pay.
Or do they value their own high salary more, not willing to advocate for the pilots?

Will management pilots continue to fly and do training? Arranging operations with other airlines?
Or will they refuse flying, training & outsourcing?
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by gswartz »

They already made that choice when they signed on as Management pilots.

It's business, not personal. Just part of their job now.
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by canadian_aviator_4 »

Management pilots are not pilots, and don’t deserve to be considered otherwise. They chose their own greed over the betterment of the Pilot Profession.
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by CaptDukeNukem »

CanadaAir wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:41 pm The WestJet management pilots have knowledge of how bad the conditions are for pilots.
When they started some of the management pilots worked ramp, the north or instructed.

These management pilots now have the ability to side with the WestJet pilots, improve the industry and advocate internally for improved conditions.
Or they can side with the new foreign CEO, who isn't a Canadian and who they barely know.

Do they side with their WestJet pilot colleagues that they've flown beside for years?

Will they work to obtain a higher salary for all pilots, which includes their own as a pilot? Which could be as high as their current pay.
Or do they value their own high salary more, not willing to advocate for the pilots?

Will management pilots continue to fly and do training? Arranging operations with other airlines?
Or will they refuse flying, training & outsourcing?
management is management. They often sit across the table, I don’t think they have a choice if they wanna keep in management roles. They answer to different people. Doesn’t mean they don’t agree with what’s happening.
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by CanadaAir »

Do they value their management job & salaries more then the coworkers and relationships they built over decades?

If they fly a WestJet plane, sign off on paper work for other pilots to fly WestJet aircraft or train other pilots to fly the WestJet aircraft.
Loss of respect in the company & industry.

If they don't fly or outsource, & stand up internally to the CEO they will gain respect from pilots.
Worst they are let go from management. Who will replace them? Not any WestJet pilot.
When the strike concludes the company will still need management, they can be rehired.

They can continue to do office work, don't have to picket.
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Post by goleafsgo »

If they’re management they’re not part of the union and not paying any ALPA dues. According to that they would side with the company but who knows what they’ll actually do
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by digits_ »

What does this matter? What does 'siding with' mean?
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by Canpilot7 »

I would assume they'll just do their job as they're obligated to. This won't really undermine the job action, but no one can take job action that isn't legally able to. Hence why there's so much industry wide support for westjet pilots - because that's who is in a position to take action.

Unity is going to be more useful than division here. No real point in going after employees doing their job, same with in the other thread where some were going after pilots of other potential subcontracted carriers. Encore pilots have to go to work - but that doesn't mean they don't also want you to achieve significant gains.
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by Oleo 4 »

Management pilots were hired into their roles to complete tasks assigned to them by their superiors. They are responsible for 'managing' different functions of any airline. If they decide to stand with the pilots during labour action then they will simply be replaced from their given positions as their bosses have to continue to have reliable support. It's the reality of those positions and I imagine some of them are having their own internal debates as we lead up to a potential work stoppage. The focus of discussions now is above that floor and the people that need to be at the table are now finally there to make the decisions.

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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by CanadaAir »

Oleo 4 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 8:10 am Management pilots were hired into their roles to complete tasks assigned to them by their superiors. They are responsible for 'managing' different functions of any airline. If they decide to stand with the pilots during labour action then they will simply be replaced from their given positions as their bosses have to continue to have reliable support. It's the reality of those positions and I imagine some of them are having their own internal debates as we lead up to a potential work stoppage. The focus of discussions now is above that floor and the people that need to be at the table are now finally there to make the decisions.

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Who would they be replaced with?

WestJet pilots wouldn't be taking the spot of a manager that stands with them

They can go back to line flying at the higher salary in the new contract, until they are rehired.
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Re: Should WestJet management pilots side with the CEO & company, or their pilot coworkers?

Post by mmm...bacon »

[Not a lawyer] I'd imagine that, if they are excluded management pilots, then they could be terminated for not following the terms of their employment contract - which probably includes clauses about flying as directed.

I'm sure that they might well 'side' with the union, but that will come second to keeping their jobs...
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