Our turn to strike ?

[Flyerone]

Man. There’s 3 things off topic on a flightdeck, and avcanada. Politics, religion and sexual orientation. Not saying “woke” up. But shit dude, you’re not helping anything by blaming everyone else. Grow up.

And now you’re making me break my own rules. People voted the liberals in, as they voted for a 17 year contract at jazz. If you’re unhappy with the current government and nothing is changing, change countries. Same could be said at airlines.

Cheers, I owe you a beer for breaking my own laws.

Mannn what contract ? Stop saying contract ..There is no contract anymore, what dont u understand ? I wish i could sign a contract with some of you guys, you'd be penniless and still be yelling yeah but the contract says...! Haha

I understand perfectly well. Which is why I left. You’re still sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Have a good day sir.

Boys, boys.. no need for all that. You both raise valid points. On one hand, yes the contract looks meaningless now, but on the other, maybe it s time to move on like dukenukem said.

[Fullflaps]

Man. There’s 3 things off topic on a flightdeck, and avcanada. Politics, religion and sexual orientation. Not saying “woke” up. But shit dude, you’re not helping anything by blaming everyone else. Grow up.

And now you’re making me break my own rules. People voted the liberals in, as they voted for a 17 year contract at jazz. If you’re unhappy with the current government and nothing is changing, change countries. Same could be said at airlines.

Cheers, I owe you a beer for breaking my own laws.

Mannn what contract ? Stop saying contract ..There is no contract anymore, what dont u understand ? I wish i could sign a contract with some of you guys, you'd be penniless and still be yelling yeah but the contract says...! Haha

I understand perfectly well. Which is why I left. You’re still sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Have a good day sir.

I dont blame ya. Dont u think if they fix the pay at jazz, it would be one of the best airline to work for in canada ? Something's bound to change sooner or later and Like 80% of us at jazz waiting to see whats going to happen, we'll decide then and there. Give it a few month, if not, Adios

[RVR6000]

The right to strike was signed away in the 2019 MOS

U guys r missing the point. Why do WE have to follow the contract when it is not being followed on the other side... the way i see it, it s a breach of contract so....

Unfortunately, given their stubbornness at AC, things are going to have to get really bad before it is corrected. And I suspect at that point, someone will lose their job (my money is on the VP of Flight Ops at AC), as someone will need to take the blame for putting AC in this situation.

But as Rudder said, if you are unhappy here, nearly every company in Canada provides a better career path than Jazz. So you are either here because you don't have enough experience to work anywhere else, or... Well there is no or. If you have been here for 5 years or less, you really should be looking elsewhere.

Hope that helps. But if nothing else, trust me on the full sentences.

The VP of Flight Ops at AC is quite well insulated, he has a stellar training department which he turned around and is producing great results. The company just handed him more responsibility, head of maintenance department as well now. He is also maybe 3-4 years from hitting retirement, so I doubt he would get turfed.

The delays and parking of the A220 (lack of engines from Pratt, 3-4 being parked so far) will catch up with AC’s ability to cover Jazz flying. They’re hoping by that time enough Jazz pilots will be upgradable.

[Inverted2]

Jazz Embraer pilots are quitting for Porter faster than they can be trained. There’s a bunch holding out for some good news here in the next few months here pay wise or there is going to be an even bigger exodus.

[truedude]

U guys r missing the point. Why do WE have to follow the contract when it is not being followed on the other side... the way i see it, it s a breach of contract so....

Unfortunately, given their stubbornness at AC, things are going to have to get really bad before it is corrected. And I suspect at that point, someone will lose their job (my money is on the VP of Flight Ops at AC), as someone will need to take the blame for putting AC in this situation.

But as Rudder said, if you are unhappy here, nearly every company in Canada provides a better career path than Jazz. So you are either here because you don't have enough experience to work anywhere else, or... Well there is no or. If you have been here for 5 years or less, you really should be looking elsewhere.

Hope that helps. But if nothing else, trust me on the full sentences.

The VP of Flight Ops at AC is quite well insulated, he has a stellar training department which he turned around and is producing great results. The company just handed him more responsibility, head of maintenance department as well now. He is also maybe 3-4 years from hitting retirement, so I doubt he would get turfed.

The delays and parking of the A220 (lack of engines from Pratt, 3-4 being parked so far) will catch up with AC’s ability to cover Jazz flying. They’re hoping by that time enough Jazz pilots will be upgradable.

By about the first week in July, it will become very apprent that jazz will likely be unable to fulfill the summer schedule as planned. And by Aug, if nothing is done, I doubt we will be able to meet the min CPA flying. And it will be a situation that is getting worse not better. We are losing Captains at a rate of nearly 1 a day, and no one with experience will come.

The only way this is solved is with money. So the block is either him, or someone above him. But the situation will deteriate to an unacceptable level by the end of summer if nothing is done.

[Invertago]

This is entertaining, there is a part of me considering sending a resume, accepting the job then not showing up for day 1 just to get a front row seat to the jazz dumpster fire lol

[canadian_aviator_4]

This will be the summer of people leaving to other airlines, booking off and anything else necessary to avoid working at jazz. It’s what the airline deserves. Thank you so much management and those that approved 17 years of purgatory.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Sky Regional DOH integration during a period of Layoffs

Yes, I recall that.
Was there no opportunity to vote?

If I recall correctly there was no vote on Sky, I'm sure others can jump in.

it's a good thing those guys were there to train you and share knowledge on the plane, no ?

That comes with a price

[Fullflaps]

This will be the summer of people leaving to other airlines, booking off and anything else necessary to avoid working at jazz. It’s what the airline deserves. Thank you so much management and those that approved 17 years of purgatory.

Now that no one is following this so called 'contract', just for fun ask your MEC rep why cant we strike ? I did, and the answer they gave me still revolves around yea but the we cant by contract ! Lol. So they can do whatever they want, but we cant. Like i said, looks like a one way contract, and it tells you how much our union and jazz are together in this... but i invite anyone to shake the tree and ask about a strike, it s a word that will definitly ring in their ears

[Bede]

First, write full sentences.

There was a time, when to understand such things would have required a trip to the library to look up the Canadian labour code, and labour laws; and it wouldn't have been just any library, it would likely would have been your cities main library. And the books wouldn't have been easy to find, so you would likely have had to consult the card catalog, or even a person who would have led you to such information. And then once you had the books, you would actually have to read them, because there was no search function.

But today, thankfully, all this information is literally at your fingertips. And what do you do with the ability to access vast volumes of information... You spew incomprehensible nonsense, not even bothering to write full sentences--or words for that matter--exposing not only your extreme laziness, but ignorance as well.

The right to take labour action in Canada, can only happen under very specific set of circumstances. As with Westjet, it took 8 months to get there. The company breaching your contract is not one of them, as the labour code offers multiple avenues to have you grievances heard and resolved. And your union is currently perusing those avenues while you waste your time here.

Now, we didn't sign away our right to strike, so much as that we simply entered into a contract until 2035. I did not vote in favour of it, but I do understand the reasoning as to why the union agreed to it. But it is this contract that is actually providing an enormous amount of leverage for our union. It does not work. The company knows it does not work. And eventually thick headed individuals at Air Canada will understand that it does not work. Unfortunately, given their stubbornness at AC, things are going to have to get really bad before it is corrected. And I suspect at that point, someone will lose their job (my money is on the VP of Flight Ops at AC), as someone will need to take the blame for putting AC in this situation.

But as Rudder said, if you are unhappy here, nearly every company in Canada provides a better career path than Jazz. So you are either here because you don't have enough experience to work anywhere else, or... Well there is no or. If you have been here for 5 years or less, you really should be looking elsewhere.

Hope that helps. But if nothing else, trust me on the full sentences.

Spoken like a true liberal, whats wrong? have you strayed far away from your shepherd ? It s because of pilots like you that canadian pilots will never be paid anywhere close to their american counterpart. Grow some cojones already. The contract is breached, no matter which book u pretend to have read, so....

I would encourage you to educate yourself on the Canada Labour Code and how unions operate. You didn't like the educated and coherent answer that your colleague took the time to provide you so you insult him.

This will be the summer of people leaving to other airlines, booking off and anything else necessary to avoid working at jazz. It’s what the airline deserves. Thank you so much management and those that approved 17 years of purgatory.

Now that no one is following this so called 'contract', just for fun ask your MEC rep why cant we strike ? I did, and the answer they gave me still revolves around yea but the we cant by contract ! Lol. So they can do whatever they want, but we cant. Like i said, looks like a one way contract, and it tells you how much our union and jazz are together in this... but i invite anyone to shake the tree and ask about a strike, it s a word that will definitly ring in their ears

Re-read truedude's post.

You sound like your group has a legitimate grievance against your employer. There is a grievance process which provides you redress. What you can't do is wildcat strike as this would incur large financial penalties for your union.

[Fullflaps]

First, write full sentences.

There was a time, when to understand such things would have required a trip to the library to look up the Canadian labour code, and labour laws; and it wouldn't have been just any library, it would likely would have been your cities main library. And the books wouldn't have been easy to find, so you would likely have had to consult the card catalog, or even a person who would have led you to such information. And then once you had the books, you would actually have to read them, because there was no search function.

But today, thankfully, all this information is literally at your fingertips. And what do you do with the ability to access vast volumes of information... You spew incomprehensible nonsense, not even bothering to write full sentences--or words for that matter--exposing not only your extreme laziness, but ignorance as well.

The right to take labour action in Canada, can only happen under very specific set of circumstances. As with Westjet, it took 8 months to get there. The company breaching your contract is not one of them, as the labour code offers multiple avenues to have you grievances heard and resolved. And your union is currently perusing those avenues while you waste your time here.

Now, we didn't sign away our right to strike, so much as that we simply entered into a contract until 2035. I did not vote in favour of it, but I do understand the reasoning as to why the union agreed to it. But it is this contract that is actually providing an enormous amount of leverage for our union. It does not work. The company knows it does not work. And eventually thick headed individuals at Air Canada will understand that it does not work. Unfortunately, given their stubbornness at AC, things are going to have to get really bad before it is corrected. And I suspect at that point, someone will lose their job (my money is on the VP of Flight Ops at AC), as someone will need to take the blame for putting AC in this situation.

But as Rudder said, if you are unhappy here, nearly every company in Canada provides a better career path than Jazz. So you are either here because you don't have enough experience to work anywhere else, or... Well there is no or. If you have been here for 5 years or less, you really should be looking elsewhere.

Hope that helps. But if nothing else, trust me on the full sentences.

Spoken like a true liberal, whats wrong? have you strayed far away from your shepherd ? It s because of pilots like you that canadian pilots will never be paid anywhere close to their american counterpart. Grow some cojones already. The contract is breached, no matter which book u pretend to have read, so....

I would encourage you to educate yourself on the Canada Labour Code and how unions operate. You didn't like the educated and coherent answer that your colleague took the time to provide you so you insult him.

This will be the summer of people leaving to other airlines, booking off and anything else necessary to avoid working at jazz. It’s what the airline deserves. Thank you so much management and those that approved 17 years of purgatory.

Now that no one is following this so called 'contract', just for fun ask your MEC rep why cant we strike ? I did, and the answer they gave me still revolves around yea but the we cant by contract ! Lol. So they can do whatever they want, but we cant. Like i said, looks like a one way contract, and it tells you how much our union and jazz are together in this... but i invite anyone to shake the tree and ask about a strike, it s a word that will definitly ring in their ears

Re-read truedude's post.

You sound like your group has a legitimate grievance against your employer. There is a grievance process which provides you redress. What you can't do is wildcat strike as this would incur large financial penalties for your union.

Claude, is that you ?

[QKZXKV]

Yes, I recall that.
Was there no opportunity to vote?

If I recall correctly there was no vote on Sky, I'm sure others can jump in.

it's a good thing those guys were there to train you and share knowledge on the plane, no ?

That comes with a price

There was no "me" in that. Since you're a defensive Sky person, obviously your bias has made your ability to read go down the toilet. If I was part of the group needing "trained" and was too dumb to know how to fly a brick with Autothrottles, why would I say "if I can recall correctly..."? The answer is because I'm on the outside looking in and used that as an example to answer someone else's question.

I seriously doubt that bringing in every last Emrbaer pilot at DOH would've been the magic potion to get all those "dumb Jazz turboprop pilots" to be able to learn how to fly s highly automated brick.

[Bede]

Claude, is that you ?

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

[rudder]

If I recall correctly there was no vote on Sky, I'm sure others can jump in.

it's a good thing those guys were there to train you and share knowledge on the plane, no ?

That comes with a price

There was no "me" in that. Since you're a defensive Sky person, obviously your bias has made your ability to read go down the toilet. If I was part of the group needing "trained" and was too dumb to know how to fly a brick with Autothrottles, why would I say "if I can recall correctly..."? The answer is because I'm on the outside looking in and used that as an example to answer someone else's question.

I seriously doubt that bringing in every last Emrbaer pilot at DOH would've been the magic potion to get all those "dumb Jazz turboprop pilots" to be able to learn how to fly s highly automated brick.

Jazz pilots learned to fly Boeings in intercontinental operations. I don’t think flying a 76 seat airplane to NYC is any tougher.

The facts are that the majority of the ex-GGN pilots moved on from Jazz and the majority of the ex-SKY pilots are following suit. In some cases it is the desire to fly at AC. But in other cases Jazz is making the decision to move on an easy choice. The YUL EMB pilot exodus has begun (courtesy of the Porter YUL/YHU base announcement).

The way things are going, these aging Embraers may be the last E-jets that Jazz operates. No fleet renewal on the radar screen.

As the JAZ MEC CHMN stated - “…..the future looks uncertain.”

Jazz pilots should plan accordingly.

[Fullflaps]

Claude, is that you ?

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

[Invertago]

Claude, is that you ?

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Thanks for your insightful contribution Fullflaps. Anyways, what I would suggest you guys do is draft a letter of petition, get it, signed by lots of pilots and present it to the union indicating the desire to strike. That would be one way to get the ball, rolling and push the issue with the union.

[Crewbunk]

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Thanks for your insightful contribution Fullflaps. Anyways, what I would suggest you guys do is draft a letter of petition, get it, signed by lots of pilots and present it to the union indicating the desire to strike. That would be one way to get the ball, rolling and push the issue with the union.

Exactly.

What Bede is saying is don’t sit on the sideline sniping at people, get off your ass and do something. The facility is there within a union to make a difference.

And, as stated above, start with a petition. Or attend the meetings. Stand up, state your case. Odds are, you don’t think alone and that’s how movements get started. If one area bothers you, join that committee. Be noisy, but not on a forum where it makes no difference.

It will help your fellow pilots and it will help YOU.

[rudder]

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Thanks for your insightful contribution Fullflaps. Anyways, what I would suggest you guys do is draft a letter of petition, get it, signed by lots of pilots and present it to the union indicating the desire to strike. That would be one way to get the ball, rolling and push the issue with the union.

Exactly.

What Bede is saying is don’t sit on the sideline sniping at people, get off your ass and do something. The facility is there within a union to make a difference.

And, as stated above, start with a petition. Or attend the meetings. Stand up, state your case. Odds are, you don’t think alone and that’s how movements get started. If one area bothers you, join that committee. Be noisy, but not on a forum where it makes no difference.

It will help your fellow pilots and it will help YOU.

Elected reps set policy and direction. They also elect the Executive and populate all of the committees.

If you keep electing the same reps you will just keep getting the same results. How many years have some of these ‘volunteers’ been in charge?

While I do not envy them their counterparty, it is the job of the representatives to lead. That includes any dealings with the employer. This group has gone down too many employer constructed rabbit holes where the Jazz pilots are stuck with the less desirable features of the CBA and seemingly unable to enforce the benefits that were negotiated in exchange.

This MEC told the pilot group that the problem of contract duration with no open period for compensation adjustment and poor compensation rates for entry level Jazz pilots would ‘fix itself’.

How is that working? And how many Jazz pilots feel that their job is ‘secure’ in 2023?

[Bede]

Claude, is that you ?

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Yes because volunteering for a union is bending over.

Glad you learned how to string a coherent sentence together. Good luck profiting off other peoples hard work.

[Fullflaps]

Nope. Besides your difficulty in writing full and coherent sentences, you have little understanding of the fundamental principle of trade unions: that we are stronger when we speak with one voice. If you're off pursuing your own agenda, management notices and will not respect your union leadership affecting their ability to advocate on your behalf. You don't like how your union is being run? No problem. Go to a union meeting, volunteer on a committee, put forward motions, run for election. Spend your time for the betterment of your colleagues. Instead you put your ignorance on full display by going on line and sniping from the sidelines at your colleagues who are volunteering their time to advance YOUR career.

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Yes because volunteering for a union is bending over.

Glad you learned how to string a coherent sentence together. Good luck profiting off other peoples hard work.

Bend over yessir keyboard warrior by day, grammar teacher by night.. and the plot thickens

[truedude]

Typical bend over mentality. Canadian pilots will never have what the rest of the world has. Some of you guys are hopeless and deserve every inch of it, the rest of us are the ones who are paying the price.

Yes because volunteering for a union is bending over.

Glad you learned how to string a coherent sentence together. Good luck profiting off other peoples hard work.

Bend over yessir keyboard warrior by day, grammar teacher by night.. and the plot thickens

You are an embarrassment, not only to Jazz pilots, but to the profession. Everytime you post something, your ignorance and entitlement is on full display.

We can't strike because we are operating under a contract, and do not meet any of the criteria required to strike under the labour code. Yes, the company is in violation of a section, and a grievance has been filed.

But you are getting paid, as per the contract. Your sick bank was topped up, as per the contract. Your perdiams are being paid, as per the contract. The list goes on. Just becauae they violate one section does not give an employee group the right to go full anarchist.

And oh, you get to book off if you don't feel "fit" and you are protected by the contract and union. If you had experience working at other places, you would know that is not the case everywhere.

Aside from pay, which is pathetic, the Jazz contract is a world class contract. Hopefully the last piece of the puzzle comes together sooner than later.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Yes because volunteering for a union is bending over.

Glad you learned how to string a coherent sentence together. Good luck profiting off other peoples hard work.

Bend over yessir keyboard warrior by day, grammar teacher by night.. and the plot thickens

You are an embarrassment, not only to Jazz pilots, but to the profession. Everytime you post something, your ignorance and entitlement is on full display.

We can't strike because we are operating under a contract, and do not meet any of the criteria required to strike under the labour code. Yes, the company is in violation of a section, and a grievance has been filed.

But you are getting paid, as per the contract. Your sick bank was topped up, as per the contract. Your perdiams are being paid, as per the contract. The list goes on. Just becauae they violate one section does not give an employee group to go full anarchist.

And oh, you get to book off if you don't feel "fit" and you are protected by the contract and union. If you had experience working at other places, you would know that is not the case everywhere.

Aside from pay, which is pathetic, the Jazz contract is a world class contract. Hopefully the last piece of the puzzle comes together sooner than later.

Good point, and no you can’t just go full strike mode because the company is not following a number items in the contract. However, I understand the frustration of many pilots including myself with lack of immediate repercussions for contract breaches.

Another point of frustration is the pay, and despite having a great contract, you can’t pay a mortgage with dental or massage benefits. No immediate progress has been made with pay either, which is even more difficult to understand when encore got a temporary pay increase and will be negotiating a new contract very soon.

Overall, the only thing you can really do is vote with your feet, because your pay will improve much quicker by leaving then waiting for a miracle. Anywhere you go will result in a pay increase. With an atpl you have your pick too: Transat, Westjet, Flair, Lynx, and even Encore. I would say AC but the flow is not being honoured.

[truedude]

Bend over yessir keyboard warrior by day, grammar teacher by night.. and the plot thickens

You are an embarrassment, not only to Jazz pilots, but to the profession. Everytime you post something, your ignorance and entitlement is on full display.

We can't strike because we are operating under a contract, and do not meet any of the criteria required to strike under the labour code. Yes, the company is in violation of a section, and a grievance has been filed.

But you are getting paid, as per the contract. Your sick bank was topped up, as per the contract. Your perdiams are being paid, as per the contract. The list goes on. Just becauae they violate one section does not give an employee group to go full anarchist.

And oh, you get to book off if you don't feel "fit" and you are protected by the contract and union. If you had experience working at other places, you would know that is not the case everywhere.

Aside from pay, which is pathetic, the Jazz contract is a world class contract. Hopefully the last piece of the puzzle comes together sooner than later.

Good point, and no you can’t just go full strike mode because the company is not following a number items in the contract. However, I understand the frustration of many pilots including myself with lack of immediate repercussions for contract breaches.

Another point of frustration is the pay, and despite having a great contract, you can’t pay a mortgage with dental or massage benefits. No immediate progress has been made with pay either, which is even more difficult to understand when encore got a temporary pay increase and will be negotiating a new contract very soon.

Overall, the only thing you can really do is vote with your feet, because your pay will improve much quicker by leaving then waiting for a miracle. Anywhere you go will result in a pay increase. With an atpl you have your pick too: Transat, Westjet, Flair, Lynx, and even Encore. I would say AC but the flow is not being honoured.

I doubt you will find a single Jazz pilot that doesn't wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said.

[Bede]

Aside from pay, which is pathetic, the Jazz contract is a world class contract. Hopefully the last piece of the puzzle comes together sooner than later.

I worked at Jazz. You are right about that. The pay stinks but the rest of the contract is quite mature.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Aside from pay, which is pathetic, the Jazz contract is a world class contract. Hopefully the last piece of the puzzle comes together sooner than later.

I worked at Jazz. You are right about that. The pay stinks but the rest of the contract is quite mature.

A mature contract that the company picks and chooses what they want to follow with little repercussion. Recommendation is that it’s only a good place to come if you are a flight instructor with no ATPL….once you get the ATPL leave. Don’t waste your time on false promises of a job at AC. It’s a trap!