commerical operations 704/705 question

[wheelsUP]

I would like to clear up something I have been trying to figure out.

When we say 704/705 operation what does that really mean?

4 types of commercial operations in canada,
1. air taxi
2. aerial work
3. commuter
4. airlines

which operation corresponds to which number? and i guess what would the difference be between commuter and airlines or commuter and air taxi?

[tired of the ground]

702 - Aerial Work i.e. Photography Flying, Geo survey...
703 - Air Taxi - up to 9 passengers
704 - Commuter - 10-19 Passengers
705 - Airline - 19+ passengers and Flight attendants required.

[wheelsUP]

thanks!

just to clear it up a little further, say we have an air taxi operator flying king airs recently purchased a 1900 and fly 15 passengers now, then they would become a 704 operator?

meaning the only difference is the amount of passengers they carry?

[J31]

thanks!

just to clear it up a little further, say we have an air taxi operator flying king airs recently purchased a 1900 and fly 15 passengers now, then they would become a 704 operator?

meaning the only difference is the amount of passengers they carry?

No it is a bit more complex than that.

The number of passengers and the max take off weight (MCTOW) determines the regulations the commercial operator works under. For example a Beech 200 with 9 passengers can be operated under CAR 703. But put 10 passengers in the 200 and now it must operate under CAR 704. The Beech 200 does not have to demonstrate Accelerate stop distance available (ASDA) and Net Take-Off Path however your Beech 1900 example with 15 passengers does.

Under CAR 704 there are different duty regs, aircraft performance requirements (applicable to some aircraft), multi crew requirement, CVR, TCAS, etc.

Clear as mud All in the CAR’s http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegSe ... s/menu.htm

[wheelsUP]

thanks. very clear.

now you have me on another subject, im transfering my faa stuff to tc. in the US you have an AIM (aeronautical information manual) that pretty much provides you all the info you need to know in terms of regs part 61,91,121,135 etc...

Now do we have something like the sort in Canada? The AIM comes in about the size of a regualr webster mini dictionary.

The CARS now.......if I don't have access to a computer how can I get my info...I heard it is somewhere around 600$ for a printed copy????? The AIM for your info goes for about $30.

[CD]

The AIM (both US and Canadian) is a good reference tool but is not a replacement for the acutal Regulations, either FAR or CAR. To purchase a complete set of the FARs in paper format would be very expensive as well... and I'm not sure that anyone does that anymore when they are being updated all the time. Much better to have an electronic version, either via the web or subscription CD/DVD.

Anyway, here is the link to the TC AIM:

TP 14371 - Transport Canada Aeronautical Information Manual (TC AIM)

[snoopy]

If you just want the CARS for reference only, one way to get them for free if you don't have regular internet access, or as a back-up for sudden internet failure: is to hook up online and browse each section of the CARS, and save each section on your hard drive, flash drive or whatever. It does take a bit of time, but not as long as you might think and saves $$. For easier offline browsing, be sure to name each section the same as the online CAR. Just remember to check for updates if you're using it for official reference.
Cheers,
Snoopy

[JL]

Don't forget 701 - Foreign

[RATO]

So, if the aircraft is certified for 10+ passengers but weighs in under 12,500 lb, can you restrict seating to 9 and operate under CARS 703?

[altiplano]

So, if the aircraft is certified for 10+ passengers but weighs in under 12,500 lb, can you restrict seating to 9 and operate under CARS 703?

Correct, also in some instances the aircraft can have an MCTOW >12566 and still be operated 703 if seating is restricted.

[2022]

If you have a 10-seat aircraft and want to restrict the seating to 9 to be able to fall under 703, does it need to be on the company OC that you are allowed to do this, or can it just be done?