Unsuccessful AC Interview

[pilot4hire]

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

Everything is a carrot.

BUT, they took the time to message you back. And I’ve known some that have redone medicals and psych and no problem the second time around.

I’d say it’s a carrot worth chasing, at least if it’s nearby. But then again lies the carrot problem.

[Fanblade]

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

It means exactly what it says and yes it has happened to others. The difference is you are admitting it. You hit a glitch where they believe you need a second chance vs simply being turned away.

Be careful not to over think the Psych evaluation as you can start to contradict yourself later in the evaluation. This has been a known hiccup in the past.

[digits_]

I’d say it’s a carrot worth chasing, at least if it’s nearby. But then again lies the carrot problem.

Also known as 'Carrot in a box': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3OUrf6oHQ

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’d say it’s a carrot worth chasing, at least if it’s nearby. But then again lies the carrot problem.

Also known as 'Carrot in a box': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT3OUrf6oHQ

This may be my new favorite video. Lol

[flyinhigh]

That’s airline management vs. pilot groups to a tee. lol

[Transition9er2]

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

Really sorry to hear about the interview!

Don’t let it get you down (easier said than done). Best advice I can offer is to keep grinding. Nothing is stopping you from applying at WS. This is one of those “if it’s meant to be” scenarios in life. AC said no, WS could say yes and there’s potential you’ll be significantly happier because of it.

Don’t focus on just one airline, there’s too much movement happening to be sitting on the sidelines watching the game unfold in-front of you because you’ve only got eyes for 1 girl!

Good luck!

[pirep]

This is pretty much a PFO, but worded nicely. You can stick it out at Jazz or go to WJ and get more experience on a 737 and try again?

[cdnavater]

This is pretty much a PFO, but worded nicely. You can stick it out at Jazz or go to WJ and get more experience on a 737 and try again?

This, if you’re young I would give WJ a good look, AC would still hire you from there if that is still your goal but you may change your mind once you get there.
Depending on why you weren’t successful, you may or may not make it the second try and then you’ve given up many spot at WJ

[canadian_aviator_4]

This is pretty much a PFO, but worded nicely. You can stick it out at Jazz or go to WJ and get more experience on a 737 and try again?

Not true. A number of jazz guys were invited back for a 2nd interview and then got hired. So it’s different. Basically as said above, a new way to present the carrot.

[YYZshill]

Buddy got the same email as you in Jan. He was invited for a second interview, and hes now a widebody FO as of last week. Not the end of the world!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Buddy got the same email as you in Jan. He was invited for a second interview, and hes now a widebody FO as of last week. Not the end of the world!

Getting paid year one flat pay. And missed out on a couple hundred seniority numbers I’m sure. In the end it’s mostly a wash. It’s all relative to one’s story. High fives.

[smooth]

I have two friends exactly the same situations, one of them got the second interview phone call 7 months after the first interview. Another one is still waiting. My guess is, your interview might be on the fence, so they want to hear you out another time 6 months later. Maybe do a practice interview with friends that got in AC, and let them give you feedback?

As for WJ, I'd apply to them, even if not getting in AC in the future WJ still a good company to stay

Good luck and don't give up!

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

[hithere]

It’s amazing what money will do. Before their most recent contract, everyone was saying stay away from WestJet. Then they get a new contract with good uplifts and all of a sudden their recruitment/retention issues are solved. Any manager/CEOs on this thread? It ain’t rocket science

[Inverted2]

Are they delaying PFOs now in hopes to keep ppl at Jazz longer? PFOs used to come about 3 weeks after the interview process.

[twa22]

Are they delaying PFOs now in hopes to keep ppl at Jazz longer? PFOs used to come about 3 weeks after the interview process.

While this thread was posted in the Jazz subforum, OP didn't specify if he/she is at Jazz. That said, I'd imagine they are, but I also know a few people who got recalled for a second interview and they never worked for Jazz

[CaptDukeNukem]

It’s amazing what money will do. Before their most recent contract, everyone was saying stay away from WestJet. Then they get a new contract with good uplifts and all of a sudden their recruitment/retention issues are solved. Any manager/CEOs on this thread? It ain’t rocket science

PFO from AC while working at jazz instantly means : what are my options? Unless you are tenured there with a good QOL, then people are running for exits.

I don’t think the WJ new money contract has anything to do with it. If you’re chasing money and contracts, you’re already too late.

I worked at jazz previously, the morale was soul sucking. There’s wayyyyyyy better options.

Apply to all. See what sticks. It might have been karma trying to save your life.

Edit: Oh you are a senior jazz guy. Not sure which way you voted back in the day. But I sincerely hope you voted no to a 17 year contract that kept your money and pension intact and sold it down River to the rookies.

[co-joe]

It’s amazing what money will do. Before their most recent contract, everyone was saying stay away from WestJet. Then they get a new contract with good uplifts and all of a sudden their recruitment/retention issues are solved. Any manager/CEOs on this thread? It ain’t rocket science

That's what I wonder as well. WestJet was a complete dumpster fire before the new TA. Guys who used to mainline coolaid 10 years ago, now have zero good things to say about life there, but a few bucks more an hour and a couple management inflicted problems self-solved and; "break out the teal juice the party's on"? More money only reduces job dissatisfaction, it cannot make you like your job more.

[ohio_19]

Hey All,

I was pretty confident about my AC interview as I was well prepared but here's an exert from an email I received last week:
"Our hiring board has determined that you did not successfully pass our interview and as such, we will be contacting you to schedule a second interview (with the possibility of a secondary psychological evaluation and/or secondary pre-employment medical) when we are able to do so"

Has anyone else failed their AC interview recently and whether they were able to get feedback, second interview date, improve, succeed.
Also cynically wondering if this is another carrot dangle to prolong me finding teal-er pastures.

Thanks!

I am sorry to hear what happened. How long did it take to hear back from them? Did they even do a back ground check and ref check with you before the PFO?

[ant_321]

It’s amazing what money will do. Before their most recent contract, everyone was saying stay away from WestJet. Then they get a new contract with good uplifts and all of a sudden their recruitment/retention issues are solved. Any manager/CEOs on this thread? It ain’t rocket science

That's what I wonder as well. WestJet was a complete dumpster fire before the new TA. Guys who used to mainline coolaid 10 years ago, now have zero good things to say about life there, but a few bucks more an hour and a couple management inflicted problems self-solved and; "break out the teal juice the party's on"? More money only reduces job dissatisfaction, it cannot make you like your job more.

I’m not sure you’re one to talk about coolaid.

[Tbayer2021]

It’s amazing what money will do. Before their most recent contract, everyone was saying stay away from WestJet. Then they get a new contract with good uplifts and all of a sudden their recruitment/retention issues are solved. Any manager/CEOs on this thread? It ain’t rocket science

That's what I wonder as well. WestJet was a complete dumpster fire before the new TA. Guys who used to mainline coolaid 10 years ago, now have zero good things to say about life there, but a few bucks more an hour and a couple management inflicted problems self-solved and; "break out the teal juice the party's on"? More money only reduces job dissatisfaction, it cannot make you like your job more.

I’m not sure you’re one to talk about coolaid.

He's so deep in that kool-aid, he forgot how to count.

[co-joe]

I’m not sure you’re one to talk about coolaid.

I like my job, have fun every day at work, have great co workers, get paid well, have a fantastic schedule and generally look forward to going to work. If that's what cool aid tastes like then guilty as charged.

Let's be honest though, you are about to become a WestJetter next year. How do you feel about your future there? Are you excited to step off that orange plane, knowing that one day soon it will get painted teal, or are you apprehensive about your future?

[ant_321]

I’m not sure you’re one to talk about coolaid.

I like my job, have fun every day at work, have great co workers, get paid well, have a fantastic schedule and generally look forward to going to work. If that's what cool aid tastes like then guilty as charged.

Let's be honest though, you are about to become a WestJetter next year. How do you feel about your future there? Are you excited to step off that orange plane, knowing that one day soon it will get painted teal, or are you apprehensive about your future?

I’m not apprehensive at all. On one hand, I love my job at SWG and don’t the ride to be over. On the other, most Westjet pilots I know are quite happy there, it’s always the vocal minority you see on here. Things always get soured during contract negotiations, I’ve been through it a couple times myself, give it a couple months and most of the emotional haters will be back on board and enjoy their jobs again.

I am on what will likely be my last European deployment and that makes me sad, but with the increase in pay I can take the family on some pretty amazing vacations to make up for that. From my observations, most sections of the new WestJet has SWG beat with a few exceptions, like the reserve rules where SWG had the cushiest in Canada. I will miss our easy north south high credit flying, but overall westjets flying doesn’t look too bad and with all of the SWG vacations work coming in it will only get better.

Overall I am cautiously optimistic but do realize I that I am in a much more secure position than most. I have enough YOS that it is, in my opinion, very unlikely that I will lose my seat even if there isn’t seat protection in the merger. Also, I am not senior enough that going to WestJets socialized bidding will really affect my schedule much. If I was a year 2 or 3 captain in YUL or YQB or a top 5% guy working 8 days a month with every weekend off, never doing a layover and doubling my salary in OT, I would probably feel differently. But I do feel this is a good thing for the majority of people.

[co-joe]

Good to hear, I like your optimism, it's a refreshing change for Avcanada. I had the pleasure of flying and training with a bunch of your pilots when they were laid off during covid and it seems to me like a good group. I'm going to miss your airline, we're planning a third WG vacation this fall, and have had really positive experiences each time. I hope things work out well for all of you in the transition. I hope F8, TS, and Y9 capacity is able to offset the loss to the market because WS vacations prices are nuts.

[pilot4hire]

Thank you everyone for the advice. For added information, I've been with Jazz for 4.5 years, recently upgraded. Folks at my seniority that applied in Jan got AC GS dates in Oct. I missed the application window and had to apply in Apr, not sure if that mattered since my interview was unsuccessful anyways. I've taken your advice and applied elsewhere.

I am sorry to hear what happened. How long did it take to hear back from them? Did they even do a back ground check and ref check with you before the PFO?

Sorry for the late response. I interviewed mid June and heard back early July. I don't believe that they did reference checks. I haven't heard anything since then about a new interview time.