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[twa22]

No more GS. Porter is hiring tho ...

Is this confirmed? When is the last GS scheduled for?

Classes have been and are continuing to run every 3 weeks. Last class was on July 17, so calculate from there (Aug 7, Aug 28, and so on...)

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Yea that's what I knew also, not sure why kiaszceski is saying no more GS

[Optimus Primer]

Jazz has been the largest mistake in my aviation career, please wait the extra time for Porter, encore/Westjet, or even AC to call. Especially if your goal is AC

I've recently been thinking the same. Hindsight being what it is, I'd have never have joined had I knew what was in store.

[Hysteria]

How is the utilization at YYC and YVR, are Jazz pilots still getting actual flight hours? I know of someone getting hired at 500 hours TT. I wonder if this is a common trend there now...

For anyone that goes to Jazz with low time - after you build some time, hop over to Porter, Encore, Flair, WJ etc.
Like others have said above, if AC is your goal, you will get there much faster through the other 705s.

[CaptDukeNukem]

How is the utilization at YYC and YVR, are Jazz pilots still getting actual flight hours? I know of someone getting hired at 500 hours TT. I wonder if this is a common trend there now...

For anyone that goes to Jazz with low time - after you build some time, hop over to Porter, Encore, Flair, WJ etc.
Like others have said above, if AC is your goal, you will get there much faster through the other 705s.

I believe there was Low ranking pilots on forced displacements to other bases in the east… but I’m not entirely sure.

[cdnavater]

How is the utilization at YYC and YVR, are Jazz pilots still getting actual flight hours? I know of someone getting hired at 500 hours TT. I wonder if this is a common trend there now...

For anyone that goes to Jazz with low time - after you build some time, hop over to Porter, Encore, Flair, WJ etc.
Like others have said above, if AC is your goal, you will get there much faster through the other 705s.

I believe there was Low ranking pilots on forced displacements to other bases in the east… but I’m not entirely sure.

There are no forced displacements, there are temporary bases which are voluntary and desired by commuters.
It’s a commuting dream, they get a hotel for the whole month, per diems the entire time they are there and positive space travel from domicile to the temp base.
One guy I talked to was sad because our contract allows for three months of temp bases and then the company has to decide to balance the bases or continue DH, which most of the flying in YYC is starting with DHs.

[truedude]

How is the utilization at YYC and YVR, are Jazz pilots still getting actual flight hours? I know of someone getting hired at 500 hours TT. I wonder if this is a common trend there now...

For anyone that goes to Jazz with low time - after you build some time, hop over to Porter, Encore, Flair, WJ etc.
Like others have said above, if AC is your goal, you will get there much faster through the other 705s.

I believe there was Low ranking pilots on forced displacements to other bases in the east… but I’m not entirely sure.

There are no forced displacements, there are temporary bases which are voluntary and desired by commuters.
It’s a commuting dream, they get a hotel for the whole month, per diems the entire time they are there and positive space travel from domicile to the temp base.
One guy I talked to was sad because our contract allows for three months of temp bases and then the company has to decide to balance the bases or continue DH, which most of the flying in YYC is starting with DHs.

If there aren't enough "volunteers" they start going up the list from the bottom to fill the spots. So for a lot of people, it isn't "voluntary."

[cdnavater]

I believe there was Low ranking pilots on forced displacements to other bases in the east… but I’m not entirely sure.

There are no forced displacements, there are temporary bases which are voluntary and desired by commuters.
It’s a commuting dream, they get a hotel for the whole month, per diems the entire time they are there and positive space travel from domicile to the temp base.
One guy I talked to was sad because our contract allows for three months of temp bases and then the company has to decide to balance the bases or continue DH, which most of the flying in YYC is starting with DHs.

If there aren't enough "volunteers" they start going up the list from the bottom to fill the spots. So for a lot of people, it isn't "voluntary."

Yah, just went and read the collective, wow!
I honestly thought it was voluntary, was it ever just voluntary?
It would force the company to up the ante if they can’t force you, however that not the case, maybe another give at one point.

[rudder]

When the dust settles you are probably looking at PAL with the YHZ base and maritime Q400 Express flying, another new Express Q operator in YYC or Q/CRJ operations consolidated in YVR, Jazz in YYZ/YUL and a diminished YVR jet base.

80 aircraft. Best case scenario. Plan accordingly.

[truedude]

When the dust settles you are probably looking at PAL with the YHZ base and maritime Q400 Express flying, another new Express Q operator in YYC or Q/CRJ operations consolidated in YVR, Jazz in YYZ/YUL and a diminished YVR jet base.

80 aircraft. Best case scenario. Plan accordingly.

No one out west can staff their own operation, let alone start a new CPA. So I don't see that. And PAL is going to have a hard time now with Porter. I don't see how PAL will be able to hold on.

The jet has vanished from YVR before, only to return.

But AC needs to take a very different approach.

[truedude]

There are no forced displacements, there are temporary bases which are voluntary and desired by commuters.
It’s a commuting dream, they get a hotel for the whole month, per diems the entire time they are there and positive space travel from domicile to the temp base.
One guy I talked to was sad because our contract allows for three months of temp bases and then the company has to decide to balance the bases or continue DH, which most of the flying in YYC is starting with DHs.

If there aren't enough "volunteers" they start going up the list from the bottom to fill the spots. So for a lot of people, it isn't "voluntary."

Yah, just went and read the collective, wow!
I honestly thought it was voluntary, was it ever just voluntary?
It would force the company to up the ante if they can’t force you, however that not the case, maybe another give at one point.

The union, from understanding feel that section is being grossly abused. But since it is only leading to more pilots leaving, it seems to be working agaisnt the company.

[CaptDukeNukem]

How is the utilization at YYC and YVR, are Jazz pilots still getting actual flight hours? I know of someone getting hired at 500 hours TT. I wonder if this is a common trend there now...

For anyone that goes to Jazz with low time - after you build some time, hop over to Porter, Encore, Flair, WJ etc.
Like others have said above, if AC is your goal, you will get there much faster through the other 705s.

I believe there was Low ranking pilots on forced displacements to other bases in the east… but I’m not entirely sure.

There are no forced displacements, there are temporary bases which are voluntary and desired by commuters.
It’s a commuting dream, they get a hotel for the whole month, per diems the entire time they are there and positive space travel from domicile to the temp base.
One guy I talked to was sad because our contract allows for three months of temp bases and then the company has to decide to balance the bases or continue DH, which most of the flying in YYC is starting with DHs.

Thank you for clarifying. I thought that if there was no volunteers then it goes in reverse seniority order and I assumed that this was the case! Cheers

[rudder]

When the dust settles you are probably looking at PAL with the YHZ base and maritime Q400 Express flying, another new Express Q operator in YYC or Q/CRJ operations consolidated in YVR, Jazz in YYZ/YUL and a diminished YVR jet base.

80 aircraft. Best case scenario. Plan accordingly.

No one out west can staff their own operation, let alone start a new CPA. So I don't see that. And PAL is going to have a hard time now with Porter. I don't see how PAL will be able to hold on.

The jet has vanished from YVR before, only to return.

But AC needs to take a very different approach.

2026 is being moved up to 2024. These changes were coming, they have just been accelerated by the lack of initiative in pilot attraction/retention at Jazz and the multiple better economic opportunities for pilots in 2023.

[kiaszceski]

Is this confirmed? When is the last GS scheduled for?

Classes have been and are continuing to run every 3 weeks. Last class was on July 17, so calculate from there (Aug 7, Aug 28, and so on...)

58

Yea that's what I knew also, not sure why kiaszceski is saying no more GS

That's a joke... They'll always be able to fill the GSs, until there's a imbalance between FOs and Captains since they are leaving or retiring.

[Turboprops]

The jet has vanished from YVR before, only to return.

But last time that happened the A220 and max wasn’t around. They don’t need the RJs, they’re just the filler till AC can do all the western jet flying with mainline metals that carry way more but doesn’t burn more fuel

[truedude]

The jet has vanished from YVR before, only to return.

But last time that happened the A220 and max wasn’t around. They don’t need the RJs, they’re just the filler till AC can do all the western jet flying with mainline metals that carry way more but doesn’t burn more fuel

Fuel burn isn't the only cost in operating a plane. As you have landing fees, gate fees, service fees, etc. And if AC pilots have their way, crew will be costing a lot more too shortly.

[Turboprops]

The jet has vanished from YVR before, only to return.

But last time that happened the A220 and max wasn’t around. They don’t need the RJs, they’re just the filler till AC can do all the western jet flying with mainline metals that carry way more but doesn’t burn more fuel

Fuel burn isn't the only cost in operating a plane. As you have landing fees, gate fees, service fees, etc. And if AC pilots have their way, crew will be costing a lot more too shortly.

A lot of those fees are fixed regardless if it’s a RJ9 or 737 max. As far as crew costs go, if they can sell 2x the seats then the pilot costs doesn't matter, overall it’s still way cheaper.
I don’t know why a lot of senior Jazz pilots think AC needs the RJ to do the flying while it’s so obvious they don’t.

[truedude]

But last time that happened the A220 and max wasn’t around. They don’t need the RJs, they’re just the filler till AC can do all the western jet flying with mainline metals that carry way more but doesn’t burn more fuel

Fuel burn isn't the only cost in operating a plane. As you have landing fees, gate fees, service fees, etc. And if AC pilots have their way, crew will be costing a lot more too shortly.

A lot of those fees are fixed regardless if it’s a RJ9 or 737 max. As far as crew costs go, if they can sell 2x the seats then the pilot costs doesn't matter, overall it’s still way cheaper.
I don’t know why a lot of senior Jazz pilots think AC needs the RJ to do the flying while it’s so obvious they don’t.

Landing fees, gate fees, are usually set on weight. And not all routes can support 2x the loads. Ground stations needs twice the crew for the larger airplanes, larger support equipment. Etc etc etc.

So no, it isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of the actual economics of it.

[Turboprops]

Landing fees, gate fees, are usually set on weight. And not all routes can support 2x the loads. Ground stations needs twice the crew for the larger airplanes, larger support equipment. Etc etc etc.

So no, it isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of the actual economics of it.

I guess you’re telling me AC’s losing money by putting a max on YVR-SAN? Sure I’m ignorant, but you can enjoy your YXE/YQR overnights this winter because that’s all you’re going to get.
Aren’t you the one saying as soon as there’s something signed between AC and PAL then the ALPA lawyers will storm in and fight? Yea how did that go?

[truedude]

Landing fees, gate fees, are usually set on weight. And not all routes can support 2x the loads. Ground stations needs twice the crew for the larger airplanes, larger support equipment. Etc etc etc.

So no, it isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of the actual economics of it.

I guess you’re telling me AC’s losing money by putting a max on YVR-SAN? Sure I’m ignorant, but you can enjoy your YXE/YQR overnights this winter because that’s all you’re going to get.
Aren’t you the one saying as soon as there’s something signed between AC and PAL then the ALPA lawyers will storm in and fight? Yea how did that go?

They are on it, and so is Jazz. It isn't being ignored. There are a lot of things in the works. And I'm not saying they lose money on that route, I am saying it is route dependent, and on the market. There will continue to be markets in which the RJ will be a better fit.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Landing fees, gate fees, are usually set on weight. And not all routes can support 2x the loads. Ground stations needs twice the crew for the larger airplanes, larger support equipment. Etc etc etc.

So no, it isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of the actual economics of it.

I guess you’re telling me AC’s losing money by putting a max on YVR-SAN? Sure I’m ignorant, but you can enjoy your YXE/YQR overnights this winter because that’s all you’re going to get.
Aren’t you the one saying as soon as there’s something signed between AC and PAL then the ALPA lawyers will storm in and fight? Yea how did that go?

They are on it, and so is Jazz. It isn't being ignored. There are a lot of things in the works. And I'm not saying they lose money on that route, I am saying it is route dependent, and on the market. There will continue to be markets in which the RJ will be a better fit.

Alpa lawyers… lol….
What are they gonna get you? Retro pay for screwing over hundreds of pilots? I made that money back within months going to an another airline. Keep paying 2% union fees and $800 a month for “benefits”

A awesome Boston ATC controller once said : “Seeeee yaaaaah”

[kiaszceski]

What's the latest new hire bid?

[RoAF-Mig21]

What's the latest new hire bid?

Someone said mostly yyc and yvr spots, but don't know the actual numbers.

[Turboprops]

What's the latest new hire bid?

8 YYC Q
2 YYC CRJ
5 YVR CRJ
1 YYZ CRJ

[CarlG2000]

I have a GS date in September with Jazz. Not super picky on equipment but am really hoping to get YYZ base. If not awarded that base on my initial bid is it likely I’d be able to prior to training being completed?

[RoAF-Mig21]

I have a GS date in September with Jazz. Not super picky on equipment but am really hoping to get YYZ base. If not awarded that base on my initial bid is it likely I’d be able to prior to training being completed?

It's hard to say. There are a lot variables. You should get it fairly quick though. If I were a betting person, I'd say "under 6 months" to get your preffered base.