Logging Co-Pilot time on Single Crew Aircrafts

[Me262]

Can someone please let me know how exactly does logging co-pilot time on single aircraft work?

I'm taking about aircrafts such as King Airs, Pilatus PC12, Beech 1900, etc

Obviously I assume since a company has FO positions for such aircrafts, that means their COM (or AOC?) calls for it otherwise they wouldn't be paying another salary from their goodness of their heart.

Therefore, if their COM/AOC dictates for FO on single pilot aircrafts, are the Co-Pilot hours you log just as legit (for ATPL purposes) as flying on actual 705 operations/aircrafts? (Dash8, etc)

Finally, am I understanding correctly that on such aircrafts (King Air, PC12, 1900), you can move to left seat Captain with only CPL, coming from the right seat?

[PostmasterGeneral]

Correct.

[digits_]

Almost. Just because they are advertising for an FO doesn't mean their COM always calls for an FO. It's rare, but some companies just want an FO there for some charter flights or to satisfy some customer requirements.

[Chaxterium]

Now that the question you've asked has been answered I just want to let you know that the plural of the word "aircraft" is "aircraft". It's not "aircrafts".

Cheers!

[cdnavater]

Can someone please let me know how exactly does logging co-pilot time on single aircraft work?

I'm taking about aircrafts such as King Airs, Pilatus PC12, Beech 1900, etc

Obviously I assume since a company has FO positions for such aircrafts, that means their COM (or AOC?) calls for it otherwise they wouldn't be paying another salary from their goodness of their heart.

Therefore, if their COM/AOC dictates for FO on single pilot aircrafts, are the Co-Pilot hours you log just as legit (for ATPL purposes) as flying on actual 705 operations/aircrafts? (Dash8, etc)

Finally, am I understanding correctly that on such aircrafts (King Air, PC12, 1900), you can move to left seat Captain with only CPL, coming from the right seat?

From memory it also depends on the Captain’s ppc, if he/she is checked out single pilot IFR then you cannot log the time unless the operation has two crew SOPs in which case you can.
I was always checked out single pilot which authorized both two crew and single but we had SOPs for two crew which was for medevac ops.
I also believe, you must do a PCC which is a company checkout, typically 4 hours training and a “ride”, my information is from 20 years ago so, could be different now.

[digits_]

Can someone please let me know how exactly does logging co-pilot time on single aircraft work?

I'm taking about aircrafts such as King Airs, Pilatus PC12, Beech 1900, etc

Obviously I assume since a company has FO positions for such aircrafts, that means their COM (or AOC?) calls for it otherwise they wouldn't be paying another salary from their goodness of their heart.

Therefore, if their COM/AOC dictates for FO on single pilot aircrafts, are the Co-Pilot hours you log just as legit (for ATPL purposes) as flying on actual 705 operations/aircrafts? (Dash8, etc)

Finally, am I understanding correctly that on such aircrafts (King Air, PC12, 1900), you can move to left seat Captain with only CPL, coming from the right seat?

From memory it also depends on the Captain’s ppc, if he/she is checked out single pilot IFR then you cannot log the time unless the operation has two crew SOPs in which case you can.
I was always checked out single pilot which authorized both two crew and single but we had SOPs for two crew which was for medevac ops.
I also believe, you must do a PCC which is a company checkout, typically 4 hours training and a “ride”, my information is from 20 years ago so, could be different now.

The 2 crew sops is the vital part. The captain's single pilot ifr check out is irrelevant.

[spruceair]

Obviously I assume since a company has FO positions for such aircrafts, that means their COM (or AOC?) calls for it otherwise they wouldn't be paying another salary from their goodness of their heart.

Therefore, if their COM/AOC dictates for FO on single pilot aircrafts, are the Co-Pilot hours you log just as legit (for ATPL purposes) as flying on actual 705 operations/aircrafts? (Dash8, etc)

Finally, am I understanding correctly that on such aircrafts (King Air, PC12, 1900), you can move to left seat Captain with only CPL, coming from the right seat?

The SOP is the key. If it’s operated as a two crew aircraft as laid out in the SOP, then the time is valid as a co pilot. When you go to apply for your ATPL most operators will give you a letter from the Chief Pilot stating they operate such and such aircraft as two crew in accordance with the SOPs.

Upgrading to left seat in a King Air or PC12 can easily be done with only a CPL. The 1900 is more difficult. Often it can come down to customer contract minimums that may require an ATPL in the left seat. Each company will be different.

[goldeneagle]

My info is 10+ yrs old. I had to do two ppc rides. First was by myself and gave me single pilot ppc. Second was with an fo and authorized me for pic during 2 pilot operations. In subsequent years the inspector combined the rides by having the fo become a passenger after two approaches and a simulated emergency. After that we did essentially another whole ride as single pilot. That was back in the day when an inspector from transport did the rides.

And yes, having approved sops was required. During the time I had only single pilot ppc anybody going along was classified by tc as an observer, not a crew member. After sops were accepted and the ride was done, then somebody could log fo time after we did their training and they passed a pcc ride. FYI, tc does check training records and journey logs during our audits, and at least once got checked for times when somebody applied for an atpl. FYI I had certified the logbook but still got the call to check a journey log. I believe that applicant was within a couple hours of minimums when they applied.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Back at Air Bravo doing medevac on the PC-12, the Ministry of Health required 2 pilots, so the company SOP's were written that way. Captains had a PPC, and F/O's had a PCC. When I left, the Chief Pilot gave me a letter stating that all time in the right seat can be logged due to their SOP's.

If doing a one-off charter or ferry flight to another base, sometimes it was operated single-pilot.

[Big Pistons Forever]

FO time on single pilot aircraft is absolutely accepted but as was noted above only if the operator has TC approved 2 crew SOPS and the FO has a PCC. I know of at least one pilot who had 2 years of flying time disallowed because the operator was too cheap to do a PCC.

If you are an FO flying in a single pilot airplane than it is critical that you get a letter from the CP to include in your ATPL application. This is especially important if you change companies before you have all the hours needed.

[spruceair]

FO time on single pilot aircraft is absolutely accepted but as was noted above only if the operator has TC approved 2 crew SOPS and the FO has a PCC. I know of at least one pilot who had 2 years of flying time disallowed because the operator was too cheap to do a PCC.

If you are an FO flying in a single pilot airplane than it is critical that you get a letter from the CP to include in your ATPL application. This is especially important if you change companies before you have all the hours needed.

I’ll mention too that operator to operator may vary, but my company does full PPCs on all FOs. (Be20, Dhc6, Be02)

[viccoastdog]

Now that the question you've asked has been answered I just want to let you know that the plural of the word "aircraft" is "aircraft". It's not "aircrafts".

Cheers!

+1million.