So Jazz pilots will go from the lowest paid to the lowest paid?

[JHR]

I heard only one pilot showed up for the latest groundschool...if that isn't leverage....

[FNGYYZ]

Reading these comments and blaming other airline pilots for our industry wide terrible pay...its bad

Divide & Conquer at it's finest

We all deserve better. And it starts with saying NO

[PositiveRate27]

As a former Jazz pilot I can absolutely say that Jazz had the rug pulled out from under it by an incompetent and corrupted ACPA that was so isolated from the rest of the industry that they didn’t realize they were chopping themselves down at the knees as well. There were plenty of other bottom feeders ready to pounce on the Jazz flying as soon as there was blood in the water.

With that being said. ACA ALPA is not ACPA. The days of selling out one group to the benefit of others are gone. We are in a new age of pattern bargaining and it’s time for the collective groups in this industry to stand together. The regional sector of the US have made the largest gains of any group of pilots thus far in the U.S. strictly because that is where the largest leverage is. For the first time ever college kids are turning down job offers at Jazz because they feel they have better career prospects elsewhere. You have a golden ticket to not only make up what was lost but make huge inroads to a prosperous future for Jazz pilots.

I’m sorry, but you are worth so much more than what this is. 10 OT days a year equates to about one extra trip a month. 19 days of flying away from your family just for $200k is no way to live. After your monumental almost 2 decade climb to the top of your payscale you still won’t be able to afford to live in the expensive bases your company puts you at.

Jazz has been wronged by so many in this industry for so long. I was there, I’ve watched it first hand. I have a perspective as a former insider now looking dispassionately from the outside. You’ve been wronged, but settling for this with the amount of leverage you have is wrong as well. AC cannot staff all the regional flying without you. Just because people aren’t at Jazz doesn’t mean they don’t see this for what it is. In fact, it’s likely easier to see this clearly from the outside looking in. Please keep an open mind.

PR

[goingnowherefast]

A rising tide floats all boats. If not directly than certainly indirectly.

WJ raised their rates and that puts pressure on AC. That ALSO puts pressure on all the regional and northern 705 operators that WJ and AC hire from. So the northern 705s up their pay trying to keep Pilots. Now very few are interested in Jazz/Encore. Jazz/Encore are forced to look at their pay, so that goes up (not getting into this MOU debate). Porter does another benchmark and ups their pay. AC still wants to pretend they're the best, so ups their pay, forcing WJ and the northern 705s to do the same.

Goes around and around. Everyone's pay and working conditions indirectly affects everyone else. A rising tide floats all boats.

Unfortunately the pay and working conditions have been garbage for so long, (2000s? Deregulation?) that not enough kids are interested in the piloting profession. There simply aren't enough people wanting to be career pilots. It will take a long time and a lot of effort ($$$) to turn that around. A 16 year old kid sees their dad or friend's dad living in poverty with a shit schedule on 1st year FO pay somewhere. They certainly don't wanna be a pilot. Fix that situation and now the 16 year old kid starts flight training at 18, commercial license at 20, ATPL at 24, and finally solving Jazz's captain shortage by age 28. That's a 12 year feedback loop. The first step in feedback loop started maybe 6 months ago, and there's a lot more managers at many more companies who need to figure this out before step 1 can be considered complete.

[JustaCanadian]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Your compensation package is what it is. If a pilot at another airline also works 10 days of OT, their compensation package makes jazz look far behind what the market rate can be. Just my two cents. It’s okay to be content with what you have. It’s also okay for your colleagues to demand more when they see pilots in similar roles, aircraft and routes being compensated at twice the rate.

[cdnavater]

“To clear up what you are saying, first I used the first benchmark from June earlier, so yes initially but for the Captain side you start slightly higher and then year 5 Captain is basically the same then Jazz pulls ahead and on the FO side your top is equal to our year 7, then Jazz pulls ahead.”

Just to let you know the numbers are wrong. And I can see how you lost all the respect from others
[/quote]

Just to let you know I already addressed that in another post and I don’t need respect from anonymous posters on the internet to feel good about myself. You get what you give, why don’t you go back and read all the earlier comments and maybe understand why I respond the way I do!
By the way, the pilots who willingly chose to drive the industry down, well they are!

[cdnavater]

As a former Jazz pilot I can absolutely say that Jazz had the rug pulled out from under it by an incompetent and corrupted ACPA that was so isolated from the rest of the industry that they didn’t realize they were chopping themselves down at the knees as well. There were plenty of other bottom feeders ready to pounce on the Jazz flying as soon as there was blood in the water.

With that being said. ACA ALPA is not ACPA. The days of selling out one group to the benefit of others are gone. We are in a new age of pattern bargaining and it’s time for the collective groups in this industry to stand together. The regional sector of the US have made the largest gains of any group of pilots thus far in the U.S. strictly because that is where the largest leverage is. For the first time ever college kids are turning down job offers at Jazz because they feel they have better career prospects elsewhere. You have a golden ticket to not only make up what was lost but make huge inroads to a prosperous future for Jazz pilots.

I’m sorry, but you are worth so much more than what this is. 10 OT days a year equates to about one extra trip a month. 19 days of flying away from your family just for $200k is no way to live. After your monumental almost 2 decade climb to the top of your payscale you still won’t be able to afford to live in the expensive bases your company puts you at.

Jazz has been wronged by so many in this industry for so long. I was there, I’ve watched it first hand. I have a perspective as a former insider now looking dispassionately from the outside. You’ve been wronged, but settling for this with the amount of leverage you have is wrong as well. AC cannot staff all the regional flying without you. Just because people aren’t at Jazz doesn’t mean they don’t see this for what it is. In fact, it’s likely easier to see this clearly from the outside looking in. Please keep an open mind.

PR

PR,
Thanks for your thoughts and while I agree with what you are saying, what you and everyone seem to be advocating for is turning down free money for the hope they come back with more.
If it doesn’t work they will either come back with more or they won’t, no one knows, all we know is our MEC had an agreement in principle with our company and when they sent it to AC for their approval, apparently wages are a pass through cost, AC ripped it up and sent back a wage table the union wouldn’t even respond to. A few weeks later they are presented with a proposal that they are being told is all AC is willing to pay.
We don’t have strike leverage and holding out for more is a gamble, do they need us, everyone keeps talking about how the 220s can do what we do. Hard to say what direction it would go if we turn it down.
Remember last year when Encore pilots had the same thing going on, same things being said, hold out for more, they took the free money and they are still shrinking and the company has not come back with more.
I’m inclined to think that in Canada, they would be happy to have a much smaller regional feed for the shorter hops, keep in mind Jazz was doing some flights with 4 plus hour sectors, not usually considered regional.
So while I appreciate the sentiment that a rising tide lifts all boats, given I’ve been on the receiving end of the retreating tide, at the end of the day, we are talking about free money.
To clarify, when I’m talking 10 OT shifts I’m talking 10 days not 10 overnights. My shifts are 7 hours long, I’m not breaking a sweat and I’m not working any more days than I would have otherwise, because of the max 6 days, I have to do 6 on, 1 off, 2 on for one of my two stretches, so I’m there anyway and take a day of OT. Which itself is ridiculous, I can’t be scheduled for 8 but can work 9 straight if I take an OT shift.
Yes, I feel we are worth more, I also feel that our starting wage should be a minimum of 90,000, that is what my starting wage is with inflation from 20 years ago. We are here because of what was discussed and we are climbing back up but to suggest we have enough leverage to turn down free money is out right laughable.
For clarity, the companies only wanted to throw money at the bottom, they know they have 500-600 lifers, the union held out and said no on my behalf, everyone gets a raise or no one!
Someday that balance will shift and I’ll be thrown under the bus by a group of junior pilots but for now there is someone there looking out for the senior ones as well.
Cheers and good luck with your bargaining!

[PositiveRate27]

As a former Jazz pilot I can absolutely say that Jazz had the rug pulled out from under it by an incompetent and corrupted ACPA that was so isolated from the rest of the industry that they didn’t realize they were chopping themselves down at the knees as well. There were plenty of other bottom feeders ready to pounce on the Jazz flying as soon as there was blood in the water.

With that being said. ACA ALPA is not ACPA. The days of selling out one group to the benefit of others are gone. We are in a new age of pattern bargaining and it’s time for the collective groups in this industry to stand together. The regional sector of the US have made the largest gains of any group of pilots thus far in the U.S. strictly because that is where the largest leverage is. For the first time ever college kids are turning down job offers at Jazz because they feel they have better career prospects elsewhere. You have a golden ticket to not only make up what was lost but make huge inroads to a prosperous future for Jazz pilots.

I’m sorry, but you are worth so much more than what this is. 10 OT days a year equates to about one extra trip a month. 19 days of flying away from your family just for $200k is no way to live. After your monumental almost 2 decade climb to the top of your payscale you still won’t be able to afford to live in the expensive bases your company puts you at.

Jazz has been wronged by so many in this industry for so long. I was there, I’ve watched it first hand. I have a perspective as a former insider now looking dispassionately from the outside. You’ve been wronged, but settling for this with the amount of leverage you have is wrong as well. AC cannot staff all the regional flying without you. Just because people aren’t at Jazz doesn’t mean they don’t see this for what it is. In fact, it’s likely easier to see this clearly from the outside looking in. Please keep an open mind.

PR

PR,
Thanks for your thoughts and while I agree with what you are saying, what you and everyone seem to be advocating for is turning down free money for the hope they come back with more.
If it doesn’t work they will either come back with more or they won’t, no one knows, all we know is our MEC had an agreement in principle with our company and when they sent it to AC for their approval, apparently wages are a pass through cost, AC ripped it up and sent back a wage table the union wouldn’t even respond to. A few weeks later they are presented with a proposal that they are being told is all AC is willing to pay.
We don’t have strike leverage and holding out for more is a gamble, do they need us, everyone keeps talking about how the 220s can do what we do. Hard to say what direction it would go if we turn it down.
Remember last year when Encore pilots had the same thing going on, same things being said, hold out for more, they took the free money and they are still shrinking and the company has not come back with more.
I’m inclined to think that in Canada, they would be happy to have a much smaller regional feed for the shorter hops, keep in mind Jazz was doing some flights with 4 plus hour sectors, not usually considered regional.
So while I appreciate the sentiment that a rising tide lifts all boats, given I’ve been on the receiving end of the retreating tide, at the end of the day, we are talking about free money.
To clarify, when I’m talking 10 OT shifts I’m talking 10 days not 10 overnights. My shifts are 7 hours long, I’m not breaking a sweat and I’m not working any more days than I would have otherwise, because of the max 6 days, I have to do 6 on, 1 off, 2 on for one of my two stretches, so I’m there anyway and take a day of OT. Which itself is ridiculous, I can’t be scheduled for 8 but can work 9 straight if I take an OT shift.
Yes, I feel we are worth more, I also feel that our starting wage should be a minimum of 90,000, that is what my starting wage is with inflation from 20 years ago. We are here because of what was discussed and we are climbing back up but to suggest we have enough leverage to turn down free money is out right laughable.
For clarity, the companies only wanted to throw money at the bottom, they know they have 500-600 lifers, the union held out and said no on my behalf, everyone gets a raise or no one!
Someday that balance will shift and I’ll be thrown under the bus by a group of junior pilots but for now there is someone there looking out for the senior ones as well.
Cheers and good luck with your bargaining!

Fair enough, you raise a bunch of valid points and at the end of the day you have to vote with your conscience and what’s on the table in front of you. If you think this is the best available then by all means take what you can get.

I hope nothing but success for you all at Jazz. To this day it was my favourite employer and I hope it can be returned to the amazing place to work it once was.

Best of luck and in solidarity,

PR

[smooth]

He's not a idiot. You got your porter Q pay wrong.

Here's the Porter Q and E2 pay scale starting Aug 1 2023

Q CA 1st year starting $112 top $140
Q FO 1st year starting $72 top $90
E2 CA 1st year starting $190 top $270
E2 FO 1st year starting $85 top $152

You can carry your dash YOS to Porter and plus $25,000 join bonus

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

[cdnavater]

He's not a idiot. You got your porter Q pay wrong.

Here's the Porter Q and E2 pay scale starting Aug 1 2023

Q CA 1st year starting $112 top $140
Q FO 1st year starting $72 top $90
E2 CA 1st year starting $190 top $270
E2 FO 1st year starting $85 top $152

You can carry your dash YOS to Porter and plus $25,000 join bonus

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

Already been addressed however could you please exclude the E2 when comparing Jazz, we don’t fly 140 seat aircraft, we fly 76 and 78 seat regional aircraft.
How does Porter E2 compare to ACs 220, that is an apples to apples comparison!

[dumpsterfire]

The fact a pilot is talking about OT to make his T4 seem reasonable pretty much sums up Canuckistan aviation

Just brutal

Working more is not a pay raise

[Transition9er2]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

[truedude]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

There is far more support for yes than there is for no. This will pass.

[cdnavater]

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

There is far more support for yes than there is for no. This will pass.

Thank goodness, then I don’t have to read posts about how we are bottom feeders, that no doubt come from some pilots who created the situation in the first place.

[GeoffPilot]

Pass or fail, Canadian aviation is going into the dumpster until there is some real investment into the most important asset of an airline - the pilots

[dontcallmeshirley]

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

Small correction: Encore has an MMG of 75 hours per month. You might be confusing the WJA MMG with the WEN MMG.

[cdnavater]

Can someone tell me now $165 hr equals $200k per yr?

1000 hrs times $165 = $165,000

And that's a lot of legs in a Q400!! "Hardly sweating"

And can someone tell me how after flying as a professional pilot for 15 yrs, $165k is that amazing

Do we value ourselves that little that we think $165k is the end all?

And that making 40% less to our American counterparts is the "cat's meow"?

Do regional pilots in the US think they have "zero leverage"?

Newsflash- regional pilots have the MOST leverage. That is where the most significant shortage is!!

Man Canadian pilots are not bright sometimes. It's no wonder management must be laughing every time they cash in their bonuses

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

Call it my alter ego if you like, as I said before you get back what you give so, I give it back. I honestly don’t give much weight to the stuff in here, it’s strictly for entertainment and the odd piece of new information that shows up.
Once in a while there is discussion is of value but when a poster starts off with “lowest paid regional pilots on the planet” you know where this one is headed, especially if that same poster has a history of antagonizing certain groups!
It’s all about context, I’m sure you could go back and find in my posts, something of value however I don’t really care if you do or don’t.
Also, regarding other threads about this topic, you could likely see where it changes, one just has to go back and see what was said before to put my comments into context, again, don’t really care!

[Transition9er2]

I don’t fly the Q, but I am a trainer and the math on just 10 OT shifts per year is just over 200k, not really working hard at all.
Last thing I’ll say on this, if you’re not a Jazz pilot, @#$! off! We set the bar in the past and you fucking assholes tripped over each other to undercut us, we are where we are because of you!

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

There is far more support for yes than there is for no. This will pass.

You may be correct, everyone has to vote for what’s important to them.

My point is the name calling and carrying on like a child isn’t the best way to share your thoughts and opinions on this vote. This person is clearly invested in this (as should everyone) but to say you’re in the training department and then act like this shows huge immaturity.

There’s a lot of people reading this discussion hoping to potentially fly at jazz one day… and this could be their instructor?! Not a great look

Good luck to everyone. The whole industry is watching closely on how this unfolds.

In solidarity

[unionism101]

"Solidarity" means nothing unless you're taking a stand against something

Voting in shill deals is not unionism

RIP ACPA

[cdnavater]

You’re in the training department and you carry on like this on a public forum? My goodness, you’re acting like you’re 12!

Looks to me like you’re letting emotion clearly take over here and you feel threatened by the lack of support of your Yes vote.

Acting like a pissed off teenager isn’t gaining any support for anything you say… Jesus, would hope to god you don’t act like this with your students!

There is far more support for yes than there is for no. This will pass.

You may be correct, everyone has to vote for what’s important to them.

My point is the name calling and carrying on like a child isn’t the best way to share your thoughts and opinions on this vote. This person is clearly invested in this (as should everyone) but to say you’re in the training department and then act like this shows huge immaturity.

There’s a lot of people reading this discussion hoping to potentially fly at jazz one day… and this could be their instructor?! Not a great look

Good luck to everyone. The whole industry is watching closely on how this unfolds.

In solidarity

True enough but I always assume people are not who they say they are and with regards to me, I lead by example in my real life interactions, it’s very hard not to sink to the same level.
Original poster is an 18(self proclaimed) just graduated high school and his father was a union president or something to that effect, first post ever( from recollection) was, I’m paraphrasing here, why do Air Canada pilots alway roll over.

[Hysteria]

He's not a idiot. You got your porter Q pay wrong.

Here's the Porter Q and E2 pay scale starting Aug 1 2023

Q CA 1st year starting $112 top $140
Q FO 1st year starting $72 top $90
E2 CA 1st year starting $190 top $270
E2 FO 1st year starting $85 top $152

You can carry your dash YOS to Porter and plus $25,000 join bonus

So...this new deal will make Jazz pilots go from the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe to the lowest paid regional pilots on the globe?

What gives in this country? Why do Canadian pilots vote yes to being a laughing stock of North American aviation?

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

Wait a minute, there is a $25,000 bonus at porter no strings attached or do you need to be a former dash guy?

Anyhow, given the latest Porter pay earlier in this thread, why would anyone go to Jazz?

[CaptDukeNukem]

He's not a idiot. You got your porter Q pay wrong.

Here's the Porter Q and E2 pay scale starting Aug 1 2023

Q CA 1st year starting $112 top $140
Q FO 1st year starting $72 top $90
E2 CA 1st year starting $190 top $270
E2 FO 1st year starting $85 top $152

You can carry your dash YOS to Porter and plus $25,000 join bonus

Umm yah, I’m going to go ahead and say it, you’re a fucking idiot!
I will make 200g a year without breaking a sweat if this passes, show what other regional(excluding the US for TBagger) pays that?
Also, encore pays 53/hr, that’s their step 3 FO pay, at 77.5 MMG with the 850/month it works out to a combined hourly 63.97
Jazz would be 64.95/hr and and significantly better pension and benefits package that now the company is mostly paying for.
I will also include Porter Q400, same aircraft, same work.
Porter Q / Jazz
Year 1 Captain 91.57/ 108.23
Year 15(top) 124.30/ 15 159.81 17(top) 165.03
FO
Year 1 50.01/ 64.95
Year 10(top) 76.14/ 10 98.15 12(top) 103.11
Yep, sure looks like the lowest paid. ON THE PLANET, idiot!

Wait a minute, there is a $25,000 bonus at porter no strings attached or do you need to be a former dash guy?

Anyhow, given the latest Porter pay earlier in this thread, why would anyone go to Jazz?

You need to be typed on the Q to get the $25000 bonus at porter.