The "Yes" side will be full of regret

[apples2apples]

Ripple,

Look at the numbers. AC staff are cheap as fuk

[MontrealCanucks]

Air Canada has an insane low labour cost and pilots are worried about locking in pathetic gains?

Labor costs are significantly LESS than Ultra Low Cost Carriers

Lol...what a joke!

Nearly half as much as Delta!!!

Man AC pilots need to revolt. Embarrassing

[Jester123]

Change of this magnitude is a slow and painful process.

Whether or not you agree with this ratification doesn’t overshadow the simple fact it was at least a step forward and not back. Could it have been better? Absolutely yes. The more important question to ask is why the division and how to move forward on the next round to show and demonstrate a unified front.

[Outlaw58]

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[TheAlcalde]

Air Canada has an insane low labour cost and pilots are worried about locking in pathetic gains?

Labor costs are significantly LESS than Ultra Low Cost Carriers

Lol...what a joke!

Nearly half as much as Delta!!!

Man AC pilots need to revolt. Embarrassing

Last MOA voted down
MEC chair replaced
Local reps in yvr yul and YWG recalled
New union brought in

It’s happening slowly. But it happens one event at a time.

[ReturnoftheMike]

Air Canada has an insane low labour cost and pilots are worried about locking in pathetic gains?

Labor costs are significantly LESS than Ultra Low Cost Carriers

Lol...what a joke!

Nearly half as much as Delta!!!

Man AC pilots need to revolt. Embarrassing

Last MOA voted down
MEC chair replaced
Local reps in yvr yul and YWG recalled
New union brought in

It’s happening slowly. But it happens one event at a time.

Traitors!!

My team was first class! And you can't spell that without ass

My memoir "The Art of Taking Permanent Concessions" will be published shortly released via my app

Regards,
Mike

[cdnavater]

My post had a grammatical error but it still stands. You admitted in your very last post that it will "slow the bleeding". No sense arguing over it now. Enjoy your miniscule pay bump.

Ok, slow the bleeding not stop it, which will either bring them back or not but we had no way of knowing that and like westerncanuck said, 30% take home increase is pretty darn good, I’ll take it.

[cdnavater]

Lol...you think they can pay pilots less?



What a joke

Nope didn’t say that. However if the economy tanks and the company’s revenue and outlook weakens, it will be an uphill battle for any negotiating team to make the gains they want.

Jazz basically said this on their last quarterly earnings call. They are waiting for a recession to take the pressure off. You would be foolish to think AC management is not thinking along these lines as well and hoping that it will reduce what they will ultimately have to pay.

What a joke! LOL.

Get out of the way and we'll show you how its done. First, value what you do. Second know that you are as essential as wings. Third, HOLD YOUR LINE. No concessions, NOT ONE.

What a joke. Lol!

What fucken line? You took our tools away a long time ago!
You show us how it’s done, I’ll wait….

[TheAlcalde]

Nope didn’t say that. However if the economy tanks and the company’s revenue and outlook weakens, it will be an uphill battle for any negotiating team to make the gains they want.

Jazz basically said this on their last quarterly earnings call. They are waiting for a recession to take the pressure off. You would be foolish to think AC management is not thinking along these lines as well and hoping that it will reduce what they will ultimately have to pay.

What a joke! LOL.

Get out of the way and we'll show you how its done. First, value what you do. Second know that you are as essential as wings. Third, HOLD YOUR LINE. No concessions, NOT ONE.

What a joke. Lol!

What fucken line? You took our tools away a long time ago!
You show us how it’s done, I’ll wait….

AC pilots are trying, we really are.

Last MOA voted down. They also offered us free money, but it wasn’t enough
MEC chair replaced
Local reps in yvr yul and YWG recalled
New union brought in
Formed a strike committee


You guys did what AC wanted you to do, they wanted you to vote yes. This is a better deal for them.

[mel gibson]

Somewhat related….

I see executives from Exchange Income corporation (EIC) , who own PAL , buying a lot of EIC stock lately.

Do you think they will buy Chorus? Are they expecting a huge windfall from Air Canada contracts?

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[canadian_aviator_4]

I'd add "TrueDude" to the list of incessant posters

They made their point.

Now let others speak

Agreed, let others voice their opinion. This is an open forum so it doesn’t matter where you work, it’s an open discussion. Everyone will make a decision based on their needs, and democracy will indicate whether or not the vote passes.

Nobody is preventing anyone from voicing their opinion, however I’m responding to the ones that simply hurl insults without any facts or sound reasoning, which I’m all for if they account for everything.
So, far the only reason is because there’s a shortage, to which I say and I’ll say it LOUD SO IT’S CLEAR, OUR UNION NEGOTIATED FOR A YEAR AND HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR COMPANY WHO THEN SENT IT TO AC FOR FINAL APPROVAL, SINCE THEY ACTUALLY PAY THE WAGES. THEY TURNED IT DOWN AND SENT BACK A PAY TABLE THEY “WERE WILLING TO DISCUSS” .
OUR UNION RESPONDED WITH, NO THANKS AND A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THAT, THE COMPANY CAME BACK WITH WHAT AIR CANADA SAID WAS, “THE MOST THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY”. THIS WAS ALL DONE OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BARGAINING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO FORCE THEM TO BARGAIN.
These are facts, they are the only facts that matter because the rest is pure speculation and supposition!
If this new pay isn’t enough to fix the problem, they may come back or they may just shrink us to a more manageable size, still pure speculation because no one knows.
It is important to know who is posting their opinion because without anything to lose, your opinion has no weight in this discussion!
How did all those Porter peeps respond when I suggested they get a proper union, I rest my case!

You constantly ‘hurl insults’ at anyone who has a differing opinion to you on this website. Previous posts had you swearing at members with differing views.
As well, it’s an opinion on an anonymous forum. So how could someone believe that you actually work for jazz. Maybe you say you do, but actually work at a competitor. There is no proof or evidence unless you start posting with your real name and employee number.
Until then, your opinion is as valid as anyone’s.

[cdnavater]

Agreed, let others voice their opinion. This is an open forum so it doesn’t matter where you work, it’s an open discussion. Everyone will make a decision based on their needs, and democracy will indicate whether or not the vote passes.

Nobody is preventing anyone from voicing their opinion, however I’m responding to the ones that simply hurl insults without any facts or sound reasoning, which I’m all for if they account for everything.
So, far the only reason is because there’s a shortage, to which I say and I’ll say it LOUD SO IT’S CLEAR, OUR UNION NEGOTIATED FOR A YEAR AND HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR COMPANY WHO THEN SENT IT TO AC FOR FINAL APPROVAL, SINCE THEY ACTUALLY PAY THE WAGES. THEY TURNED IT DOWN AND SENT BACK A PAY TABLE THEY “WERE WILLING TO DISCUSS” .
OUR UNION RESPONDED WITH, NO THANKS AND A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THAT, THE COMPANY CAME BACK WITH WHAT AIR CANADA SAID WAS, “THE MOST THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY”. THIS WAS ALL DONE OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BARGAINING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO FORCE THEM TO BARGAIN.
These are facts, they are the only facts that matter because the rest is pure speculation and supposition!
If this new pay isn’t enough to fix the problem, they may come back or they may just shrink us to a more manageable size, still pure speculation because no one knows.
It is important to know who is posting their opinion because without anything to lose, your opinion has no weight in this discussion!
How did all those Porter peeps respond when I suggested they get a proper union, I rest my case!

You constantly ‘hurl insults’ at anyone who has a differing opinion to you on this website. Previous posts had you swearing at members with differing views.
As well, it’s an opinion on an anonymous forum. So how could someone believe that you actually work for jazz. Maybe you say you do, but actually work at a competitor. There is no proof or evidence unless you start posting with your real name and employee number.
Until then, your opinion is as valid as anyone’s.

Oh, ok

[Chips&Pops]

The union did not recommend this deal

Full Stop

They are looking for more ammo to tell the corp to come back with more by showing the membership has high expectations

That is not at all the position the union has. I have talked to my rep, perhaps you should talk to yours (so long as they don't already have one foot out the door).

They are disappointed with it, and think it should be higher. They also know there is a risk to saying no.

As I said in another thread, Encore was in a similar position where the corp offered some improvements outside of normal bargaining and every Tom, Dick and Harry said don’t do it, they will come back with more, here we are a year later, they have only shrunk since then and nothing, not a hint of more coming.
They have a maximum they are willing to pay for regional lift, this is likely what it is for now and after AC wages come in, there might be some more room.
I’ve done the wage comparison on a per seat basis in the past and it’s met with the same response every time, “that’s ridiculous “ well guess what, I guarantee that’s the metric they use. Maybe they call it something different like CASM, but it is the wages that form part of that. If we make too much, we have a higher CASM and that makes the 220s a lot more attractive.

To the author of this thread, I do not have a single regret to my YES vote, I will sleep fine and truly hope all Jazz pilots ignore the noise and see it for what it is, a free raise in pay.

or a free everyone works 20 days a month now? sheeeeeeeesh

[Full Ins]

No one’s going to work 20 days unless they tick the box that says it’s ok. Can’t say I ever would

[Rowdy]

No one’s going to work 20 days unless they tick the box that says it’s ok. Can’t say I ever would

True,

But we went from working an average of 14-15 days (some people as low as 10 on the torch) when I started, to 16-17 days through 'The flu' and FTDT changes and now we will work right to the 12 mins days off every month. So a 31 day month ig going to mean 19 work days. For effectively less money (inflation etc). Oh sure. An hour added to our time banks. So thats what? $30 a month after taxes for an FO...

Also, in case anyone missed the memo, they have reinstituted the 'program' last month. 8 book offs in a 12 month rolling window and you're getting a phone call.

Ouch.

[Alkasultzer]

To the author of this thread, I do not have a single regret to my YES vote, I will sleep fine and truly hope all Jazz pilots ignore the noise and see it for what it is, a free raise in pay.

Yes we get it...you love concessions.

[Inverted2]

No one’s going to work 20 days unless they tick the box that says it’s ok. Can’t say I ever would

True,

But we went from working an average of 14-15 days (some people as low as 10 on the torch) when I started, to 16-17 days through 'The flu' and FTDT changes and now we will work right to the 12 mins days off every month. So a 31 day month ig going to mean 19 work days. For effectively less money (inflation etc). Oh sure. An hour added to our time banks. So thats what? $30 a month after taxes for an FO...

Also, in case anyone missed the memo, they have reinstituted the 'program' last month. 8 book offs in a 12 month rolling window and you're getting a phone call.

Ouch.

It’ll just cause everyone to book off sick more. I plan on it 100%. I won’t be working 19 days a month. That is a fact.