How many people do you think fail sim eval?

[Me262]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

[flyinhigh]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

It’s a pre-hire sim that is part of the hiring process. I.e, if you cannot work with your partner in the sim eval and demonstrate horrible CRM, you won’t get the job.

[dontcallmeshirley]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

It’s a pre-hire sim that is part of the hiring process. I.e, if you cannot work with your partner in the sim eval and demonstrate horrible CRM, you won’t get the job.

Other airlines don't have a sim-eval because it's an additional cost in sims and staffing, and provides little insight into whether or not a pilot has already learned how to effectively participate in a multi-crew environment.

[flyingcanuck]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

It’s a pre-hire sim that is part of the hiring process. I.e, if you cannot work with your partner in the sim eval and demonstrate horrible CRM, you won’t get the job.

Other airlines don't have a sim-eval because it's an additional cost in sims and staffing, and provides little insight into whether or not a pilot has already learned how to effectively participate in a multi-crew environment.

Totally no bias here

[cdnavater]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

It’s a pre-hire sim that is part of the hiring process. I.e, if you cannot work with your partner in the sim eval and demonstrate horrible CRM, you won’t get the job.

Other airlines don't have a sim-eval because it's an additional cost in sims and staffing, and provides little insight into whether or not a pilot has already learned how to effectively participate in a multi-crew environment.

Given that lately we are hiring 750 instructors, it’s reasonable to assume they don’t have multi crew experience, I think they are looking for many traits, CRM being one of them, ability to learn another.
They used to give you our SOPs for approach and go around, 6 minutes to study them before jumping in the sim to do an approach and go around. It’s been awhile but, gives an idea of what they might be looking for.

[Outlaw58]

What is the sim eval? Is it part of the hiring process or part of the training on type after being hired?

I haven't heard Encore/Westjet having a sim eval, is this a Jazz/AC thing? (I know Jazz/AC are also pickier on what referrals you can have)

It’s a pre-hire sim that is part of the hiring process. I.e, if you cannot work with your partner in the sim eval and demonstrate horrible CRM, you won’t get the job.

Other airlines don't have a sim-eval because it's an additional cost in sims and staffing, and provides little insight into whether or not a pilot has already learned how to effectively participate in a multi-crew environment.

I love how you wrote this down without any supporting information or credentials and we are supposed to carry on discussing as if this was a fact.

We should all let that sink in for a while before reading and reacting to our next Avcanada thread

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[dontcallmeshirley]

Totally no bias here

I never went through the Jazz hiring process, but of course I have bias. My biases come from my experience in the airline industry.

Given that lately we are hiring 750 instructors, it’s reasonable to assume they don’t have multi crew experience, I think they are looking for many traits, CRM being one of them, ability to learn another.
They used to give you our SOPs for approach and go around, 6 minutes to study them before jumping in the sim to do an approach and go around. It’s been awhile but, gives an idea of what they might be looking for.

Six minutes to read and practise a prodcedure. All that shows the instructor is whether the candidate can memorize and recall a procedure in six minutes. Some good pilots take a while to learn whereas some shit pilots learn really fast.

I love how you wrote this down without any supporting information or credentials and we are supposed to carry on discussing as if this was a fact.

We should all let that sink in for a while before reading and reacting to our next Avcanada thread

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We all work in the industry here I hope. What other airline does sim evals? There's a reason why they are very uncommon.

As a former instructor I can tell you that there are a variety of learning styles out there and that sims don't fly very well. There are far more effective ways to test CRM, knowledge, and personality that don't require the use of a several thousand dollar an hour machine. As I said in reply to an above comment, some people learn quick, some slow. Some can read and retain, some need to recite, some practise, some couch fly, some test.

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To sum it all up, once again, simulator evaluations are not an effective way to judge a candidate with the skill levels being hired now.

[Reinhard]

Based on your experience in the airline industry. How do the airlines that don't use sim evals, evaluate their candidates?

[cdnavater]

Totally no bias here

I never went through the Jazz hiring process, but of course I have bias. My biases come from my experience in the airline industry.

Given that lately we are hiring 750 instructors, it’s reasonable to assume they don’t have multi crew experience, I think they are looking for many traits, CRM being one of them, ability to learn another.
They used to give you our SOPs for approach and go around, 6 minutes to study them before jumping in the sim to do an approach and go around. It’s been awhile but, gives an idea of what they might be looking for.

Six minutes to read and practise a prodcedure. All that shows the instructor is whether the candidate can memorize and recall a procedure in six minutes. Some good pilots take a while to learn whereas some shit pilots learn really fast.

I love how you wrote this down without any supporting information or credentials and we are supposed to carry on discussing as if this was a fact.

We should all let that sink in for a while before reading and reacting to our next Avcanada thread

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We all work in the industry here I hope. What other airline does sim evals? There's a reason why they are very uncommon.

As a former instructor I can tell you that there are a variety of learning styles out there and that sims don't fly very well. There are far more effective ways to test CRM, knowledge, and personality that don't require the use of a several thousand dollar an hour machine. As I said in reply to an above comment, some people learn quick, some slow. Some can read and retain, some need to recite, some practise, some couch fly, some test.

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To sum it all up, once again, simulator evaluations are not an effective way to judge a candidate with the skill levels being hired now.

To be fair, I don’t do the sim evals but I have talked to the pilots that do them, I was told they categorize in to different groups,
upgradable, upgradable in a year and not upgradable, I’m sure with lower time they are looking for other attributes but to think a company with over 90 years experience doesn’t know what they’re doing, well what can I say.
You can tell how a candidate performs under pressure, I believe they fail an engine, can’t remember or say for sure but some pilots don’t perform well for abnormal issues, they would fail.
Anyhow, if Jazz didn’t see the value, they would get rid of it, that is a guarantee! Cost is king!

[dontcallmeshirley]

Based on your experience in the airline industry. How do the airlines that don't use sim evals, evaluate their candidates?

I've seen a few different methods... some will ask situational questions, some will do group work, and some will not do either.

I guess my point is that if the industry has moved away from sim evals, it's probably because they didn't give as much benefit against the added costs.