Ural 320 forced landing in a field (Russia) 12 September 2023

[JustaCanadian]

http://avherald.com/h?article=50e4701a&opt=0

Not to often you see an airliner land off airport.

Preliminary info looks like they miscalculated how much fuel would be required to divert with the gear down and couldn’t make the diversion airport.

[7ECA]

According to the BBC article on the incident, they're saying that videos have been seen of heavy equipment dismantling the aircraft in the field - chopping it into pieces. Seems rather hasty...

A video on social media showed a heavy digger then dismembering the plane, lopping off the cockpit, tail and wings to more easily remove the plane from the field.

Rumours that Western sanctions have started to bite, resulting in maintenance issues, are also swirling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66785897

[BigQ]

According to the BBC article on the incident, they're saying that videos have been seen of heavy equipment dismantling the aircraft in the field - chopping it into pieces. Seems rather hasty...

A video on social media showed a heavy digger then dismembering the plane, lopping off the cockpit, tail and wings to more easily remove the plane from the field.

Rumours that Western sanctions have started to bite, resulting in maintenance issues, are also swirling.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66785897

That's the other one that did an off-airport landing a few years ago, VQ-BOZ. They couldn't take it out of the field it landed in.

The sanctions have no effect on parts availability, the Russian airline industry gets their parts through the UAE, Kazahkstan and Turkmenistan, and a few others.

Edit: VQ-BOZ, not VH-BOZ

[7ECA]

That's the other one that did an off-airport landing a few years ago, VQ-BOZ. They couldn't take it out of the field it landed in.

The sanctions have no effect on parts availability, the Russian airline industry gets their parts through the UAE, Kazahkstan and Turkmenistan, and a few others.

Edit: VQ-BOZ, not VH-BOZ

The aircraft registration for the A320 in question is RA-73805.

I dare say the sanctions absolutely do have an effect on part availability, especially when it is illegal to purchase them directly from OEM sources. The fact that Russian airlines have found a stop gap solution that involves multiple intermediaries and third parties, doesn't mean they are getting parts in the quantities required to remain operational in a safe and timely fashion.

[BigQ]

Mayhaps. Yet drugs are illegal, and you can still get them anywhere and in a rapid fashion, including pure Colombian white gold. Where there is a will, there is a way. When over half of the world's population lives in countries that does not support the sanction regime, well, that makes things pretty easy...

Most of the world does not condemn Russia for it's SMO, it's an oft-forgotten fact.

[7ECA]

It's a war you schmuck, stop calling it anything other than that and people might actually want to engage in a reasoned discussion.

[.80@410]

Mayhaps. Yet drugs are illegal, and you can still get them anywhere and in a rapid fashion, including pure Colombian white gold. Where there is a will, there is a way. When over half of the world's population lives in countries that does not support the sanction regime, well, that makes things pretty easy...

Most of the world does not condemn Russia for it's SMO, it's an oft-forgotten fact.

Don’t have time to post very often..

But when I read something so ridiculously stupid and uninformed , wirh zero basis in fact, well..

Here I am.

Your SMO comments were moronic .

[BigQ]

cope and seethe.

[JustaCanadian]

Russia-Ukraine could turn into Iran-Iraq

In 15 years America invades Ukraine claiming weapons of mass destruction. I guess Ukraine would need some in demand resource for this to happen.

[karmutzen]

We're all pilots here, and can recognize when one of our brothers has to make difficult decision to ditch. In this case very finely executed.

There are many sides to the same story and BigQ is absolutely right that our media only shows a very biased (pro-Ukraine) view that is not shared outside the Western world. That's a large part of the world, but one that doesn't buy in to American hegemony.

[bcflyer]

If they had an issue that caused to gear to be stuck down the fuel would disappear at a frightening rate. The gear down fuel penalty on the 320 is 180% if the doors close or 200% with gear doors open. It’s been a couple years so I could be off by a bit but I know it’s close. If they didn’t take that into account they could have quickly found themselves out of fuel. (All speculation and certainly not meant to lay blame)

[pelmet]

We're all pilots here, and can recognize when one of our brothers has to make difficult decision to ditch. In this case very finely executed.

There are many sides to the same story and BigQ is absolutely right that our media only shows a very biased (pro-Ukraine) view that is not shared outside the Western world. That's a large part of the world, but one that doesn't buy in to American hegemony.

American(anglosphere hegemony) is the best by far of all the realistic alternatives that have appeared over the last century or so. A large part of the world may not buy into that but pretty much all of those opposed don't offer very palatable alternatives.

[Reinhard]

It's funny how before the SMO, the Ukrainian government was widely considered to be one of the most corrupt in the world. Now Canadian media is regurgitating everything that comes out of Ukrainian government sources as if it's the truth.

Having spent time in both countries, while Russia has its own corruption problems and institutional rot, Ukraine is on a whole another level. Its government is basically a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country.

The current Kiev regime in particular was installed after a western backed coup in 2014, and was groomed by the west with the specific purpose of antagonizing Russia.

[Inverted2]

It's funny how before the SMO, the Ukrainian government was widely considered to be one of the most corrupt in the world. Now Canadian media is regurgitating everything that comes out of Ukrainian government sources as if it's the truth.

Having spent time in both countries, while Russia has its own corruption problems and institutional rot, Ukraine is on a whole another level. Its government is basically a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country.

The current Kiev regime in particular was installed after a western backed coup in 2014, and was groomed by the west with the specific purpose of antagonizing Russia.

Don’t forget 10% for the big guy.

[pelmet]

It's funny how before the SMO, the Ukrainian government was widely considered to be one of the most corrupt in the world. Now Canadian media is regurgitating everything that comes out of Ukrainian government sources as if it's the truth.

Having spent time in both countries, while Russia has its own corruption problems and institutional rot, Ukraine is on a whole another level. Its government is basically a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country.

The current Kiev regime in particular was installed after a western backed coup in 2014, and was groomed by the west with the specific purpose of antagonizing Russia.

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the justification that Russia had for flattening all these cities and towns.

Anybody seen that Mariupol movie yet? Probably just propaganda.

[Sulako]

Let's try to keep things on topic, shall we? I think we have discussed the possibility of bias in the reporting of this accident enough that we can move on and perhaps focus on the incident itself. Who knows, there might be lessons learned from it.

[7ECA]

...I think we have discussed the possibility of bias in the reporting of this accident...

I'm sorry, parroting Russian troll farm Kremlin talking points and propaganda around a clearly illegal war, with numerous violations of international norms and laws around the conduct of warfare, counts as "the possibility of bias in reporting"?

Yeah, no.

[rigpiggy]

On the plus side, they have a bunch more spare parts....

[BigQ]

"On Sep 17th 2023 the airline announced, that the aircraft is going to fly again soon.

On Sep 17th 2023 local observers reported, that the aircraft has been cleaned, all slides stowed, the doors closed, the engines have been covered, the landing gear was dug out of the ditches and cleaned, and it appears the aircraft is made ready to fly out again."

Source: AvHerald