This can't be good for the industry...

[flyingcanuck]

Does that mean you'd say 'no' if you had the chance to go work in the US?

Or are you going to convince yourself how that's a completely different situation?

I assume you're implying that wanting to go to the US but not wanting immigration in Canada is hypocritical. Sure it could be, if you look at it from the "I got mine screw you" perspective. I don't think anyone is saying they do not want an immigrant to succeed in creating a better life, the real criticism is the en masse immigration we are seeing in Canada now.

Economically it is different. Personally, I don't think that these new policies will change much for us in our industry in Canada. That being said, Every single 705 pilot could leave Canada for the US and they would STILL have a shortage. Its not xenophobic to realize the difference and the reality of Canada's current situation when it comes how mass immigration affects housing, the economy etc.

.....

Good point, I stand corrected. I do see what you're saying, the US wouldn't want what is happening in Canada to happen there.

[Ash Ketchum]

Foreign 705-type airlines currently accepting Canadian pilot applications:

Ryanair
Copa
Emirates, Qatar, flyDubai
Multiple Chinese airlines
Fiji Airways
Bamboo Airways and Viettravel
Ethiopian
Peach, Jetstar, JAL and Skymark
Silkway
Avion Express
Royal Brunei


This isn't going to be a bad thing for aviation because the Canadian Federal Government is the #1 bad thing happening right now to Canadian Aviation. 3x the pilots who actually leaves to the US y/y is at least 3x in serious interest and 10x that in mild interest

Edit: Also:

Singapore Airlines
Tigerjet
Rwandair
Air Arabia Egypt
Riyadh Air
+++++

Thanks for posting this. I have been wondering if there is a master list of airlines that sponsor Canadians.

[dontcallmeshirley]

When did either AC or WJ start taking DEC ?

Me thinks there is a bit of storytelling happening here....

Flair, is #2 after AC

Number of aircraft in service today based on quick online search

Air Canada - 196
Jazz - 107
Westjet - 105
Encore - 47
Porter - 45
Transat - 36
Flair - 20

Maybe in your delusional world of 'alternate facts', Flair is number 2. But here in the real world, it's a relatively small new startup with a relatively small fleet in comparison to the established players.

Who would have thought that listening to a CEO that is known for exaggerating and lying would have them think that the company that they work for is bigger than it is?

[tbaylx]

Flair, is #2 after AC

Number of aircraft in service today based on quick online search

Air Canada - 196
Jazz - 107
Westjet - 105
Encore - 47
Porter - 45
Transat - 36
Flair - 20

Maybe in your delusional world of 'alternate facts', Flair is number 2. But here in the real world, it's a relatively small new startup with a relatively small fleet in comparison to the established players.

Who would have thought that listening to a CEO that is known for exaggerating and lying would have them think that the company that they work for is bigger than it is?

The stat was misinterpreted a bit. By the number of passengers flown metric, Flair is the third "largest" carrier in Canada behind Westjet group and Air Canada (including their regionals).

[cdnavater]

Number of aircraft in service today based on quick online search

Air Canada - 196
Jazz - 107
Westjet - 105
Encore - 47
Porter - 45
Transat - 36
Flair - 20

Maybe in your delusional world of 'alternate facts', Flair is number 2. But here in the real world, it's a relatively small new startup with a relatively small fleet in comparison to the established players.

Who would have thought that listening to a CEO that is known for exaggerating and lying would have them think that the company that they work for is bigger than it is?

The stat was misinterpreted a bit. By the number of passengers flown metric, Flair is the third "largest" carrier in Canada behind Westjet group and Air Canada (including their regionals).

First, that is easy to claim but can you back it up?
Of course the AC and WJ numbers would include the regional feed and simply based on fleet size and market share they would be number one and two. With Porter having 45 and adding aircraft every month I would assume your time at three will be short lived, if true of course. When you say three, are you only talking domestic because I guarantee that Transat is carrying more passengers from Canadian airports than you!

[digits_]

If you group all the competition together, then based on any metric, Flair is always the second biggest

[BigQ]

Foreign 705-type airlines currently accepting Canadian pilot applications:

Ryanair
Copa
Emirates, Qatar, flyDubai
Multiple Chinese airlines
Fiji Airways
Bamboo Airways and Viettravel
Ethiopian
Peach, Jetstar, JAL and Skymark
Silkway
Avion Express
Royal Brunei


This isn't going to be a bad thing for aviation because the Canadian Federal Government is the #1 bad thing happening right now to Canadian Aviation. 3x the pilots who actually leaves to the US y/y is at least 3x in serious interest and 10x that in mild interest

Edit: Also:

Singapore Airlines
Tigerjet
Rwandair
Air Arabia Egypt
Riyadh Air
+++++

Thanks for posting this. I have been wondering if there is a master list of airlines that sponsor Canadians.

My pleasure. Source for this list are Pilot Career Center, and the websites of the following pilot recruiting agencies: CAE Parc Aviation, IAC, Rishworth, and Longreach

[Slugger]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... sport.html

Sure would be nice for the mainline and regionals to be part of the solution. You want to hire foreign works fine, sponsor 5 Canadians in flight instructor or 703 jobs for every 1 foreign pilot you bring in on a fast track program.

This LIE..BERAL govt is so brainwashed in their ideology, they have lost all sense of reality. They don't care about Canadians, only those they import in order to secure their votes. That's all they do.

[digits_]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... sport.html

Sure would be nice for the mainline and regionals to be part of the solution. You want to hire foreign works fine, sponsor 5 Canadians in flight instructor or 703 jobs for every 1 foreign pilot you bring in on a fast track program.

This LIE..BERAL govt is so brainwashed in their ideology, they have lost all sense of reality. They don't care about Canadians, only those they import in order to secure their votes. That's all they do.

The majority of Canadians would benefit from immigrant airline pilots flying for low/minimum wage. Obviously Canadian pilots would hate it, but the general population would quite likely love it. There are more non pilot voters than there are pilot voters.

[CaptDukeNukem]

If you group all the competition together, then based on any metric, Flair is always the second biggest

“If you ain’t first, you’re last.”

[rookiepilot]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

[cdnavater]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

[Inverted2]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

What’s going to spur on a recovery? Trudeau and his cronies have this country on the trajectory of a 737 Max with a faulty MCAS sensor.

[cdnavater]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

What’s going to spur on a recovery? Trudeau and his cronies have this country on the trajectory of a 737 Max with a faulty MCAS sensor.

Government money to build new homes for all the immigrants, we’ll pay more taxes but less interest. I also predict a non confidence vote at the next budget triggering an election, with a minority PC and NDP

[goldeneagle]

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Is it for real this time ? Or will it be like the last few times you said the economy was toast?

[goldeneagle]

Government money to build new homes for all the immigrants, we’ll pay more taxes but less interest. I also predict a non confidence vote at the next budget triggering an election, with a minority PC and NDP

It would be great to see a PC government before the next round of airline pilot union talks are done. Lessons learned from the past didn't stick, most pilots here want to see a PC government, oblivious to the issues the last time they had one at contract time, and obviously not paying attention to what the feds did during the longshore strike, which has a FAR greater reach into the economy than airlines.

Pilots wishing for a change in government it's really a poster child case for 'careful what you wish for', with history as the example. You need to pay careful attention to what the current government did, and what Pierre said he would do during the longshore strike, then ponder how airline negotiations will pan out should the government change between now and then.

[rookiepilot]

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Is it for real this time ? Or will it be like the last few times you said the economy was toast?

I’m right, and feeling quite ill about it this morning, actually.

This has all been setting up since Covid.

[rookiepilot]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

Along with the rest of the world, you predict this.

You’re all delusional, sadly.

[Old fella]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

I predict the Leafs will win the Conference in 2024, Jays will be AL East Division champs as well. For those caught up in the political spectrum, PP/JT will square off fall 2025. You heard it first here .

[cdnavater]

You guys let me know when loads / demand fall off a frigging cliff.

Its coming.

IMO Canadian economy is cooked. Done. Fried. Now.

Get your positions secured now.

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

Along with the rest of the world, you predict this.

You’re all delusional, sadly.

Oh, I thought we were just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.
You make these claims without anything to back it up, how about you tell us what you see exactly that scares you.
Eg; the former governor of the BOC has a 70% chance of a soft landing but also adds his variables to what would change that toward a bad outcome.
You, make a claim and add nothing! Other than now, do you mean right now or sometime in the future now?

[rookiepilot]

I predict a soft recession and a rebound early q2, 2024.

Along with the rest of the world, you predict this.

You’re all delusional, sadly.

Oh, I thought we were just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.
You make these claims without anything to back it up, how about you tell us what you see exactly that scares you.
Eg; the former governor of the BOC has a 70% chance of a soft landing but also adds his variables to what would change that toward a bad outcome.
You, make a claim and add nothing! Other than now, do you mean right now or sometime in the future now?

He’s, bluntly stated, lying his ass off.

They all are. They lie. As they did in 2008. Its worse now.

What do I see? Its as obvious as the nose on your face.

This ain’t my first rodeo. But read tommorrow’s newspapers.

[rookiepilot]

My Twitter:

Why are we at risk of a 2nd Great Depression?

(I know these words spark howls of laughter)

Lots of big reasons….

Weak leadership, demographics. Epic levels of corruption. Lack of respect for debt. Breakdown in social order. Rampant wokism. Geopolitics. Entitlement.

[Pratt X 3]

My Twitter:

Why are we at risk of a 2nd Great Depression?

(I know these words spark howls of laughter)

Lots of big reasons….

Weak leadership, demographics. Epic levels of corruption. Lack of respect for debt. Breakdown in social order. Rampant wokism. Geopolitics. Entitlement.

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!!!

[Mrs. Andry]

My Twitter:

It's called "X" now.

[rookiepilot]

My Twitter:

It's called "X" now.

So i hear.