Ketamine therapy

[lostav8r]

Since ketamine therapy is legal what is tc’s view if someone was to use it?

[Rooster69]

Why don’t you ask TC?

[Canadaflyer46]

Given that TC is about 25 years behind modern medicine I’d say the chances of it being approved are zero.

[cdnavater]

Just had a look at what ketamine therapy is used for, basically in a nutshell, all of the issues it’s used for would invalidate your medical.
If you need this therapy, odds are you shouldn’t be flying.

[CpnCrunch]

If someone is considering ketamine, they might want to look at this:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... amine.html

[‘Bob’]

The commercial told me Special K was part of a complete breakfast.

[AirCandida]

Careful saying the 'D' word around transport, they love to trigger pull medicals without proper evaluation

[lostav8r]

Careful saying the 'D' word around transport, they love to trigger pull medicals without proper evaluation

I know pilots who were in the hospital for suicide attempts and we told TC and they didn't do anything about their medical!

[Dry Guy]

Just look up if it's FAA approved. They just copy them instead of having to do any work themselves.

[cdnavater]

Careful saying the 'D' word around transport, they love to trigger pull medicals without proper evaluation

I know pilots who were in the hospital for suicide attempts and we told TC and they didn't do anything about their medical!

Pilots, as in multiple pilots?

[Rockymountainfir]

Since ketamine therapy is legal what is tc’s view if someone was to use it?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34503619/


It’s interesting for sure. It has the potential to reduce claim times and actually reduce safety risks by treating difficult mental health conditions and not to mention save lives . As Vets, law enforcement personnel, first responders, crime victims and regular Joe citizens are being treated with increasing success the case for “prohibition” decreases.

Things like PTSD, complex PTSD and severe depression can take years to treat with limited success.

As usual, the aviation industry’s solution( non- solution) of “ no way” is being applied. I can’t see this lasting for long..

Let’s say someone does psychedelic psychotherapy off and on for a year.. apply a grounding time post- therapy and have it supervised by a psychiatrist. Done..

I think it’s safer to have this regulated with actual guidance out in the open than the current paradigm. Have someone do a drug test to prove being “ clean” before going online.

There’s a massive difference between recreational drug use and therapeutic use of psychedelics.

Nice Post!

[digits_]

Careful saying the 'D' word around transport, they love to trigger pull medicals without proper evaluation

I know pilots who were in the hospital for suicide attempts and we told TC and they didn't do anything about their medical!

Who told TC?

I would be more worried if they started investigating me because someone reports I am in the hospital.

The way TC (and aviation government branches in other countries) deals with depression is just completely ridiculous and counter productive. Ignore and hide your symptoms and all is well. Get treatment, and you're in for months of uncertainty, expensive tests and possibly the end of your career. Why? Because some lunatic who happened to be depressed intentionally crashed a plane?

If a depressed pilot functions day to day, passes PPC rides, then he's dealing with it, and he shouldn't be afraid to lose his livelihood on top of dealing with his other issues.

[CL-Skadoo!]

Since ketamine therapy is legal what is tc’s view if someone was to use it?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34503619/


It’s interesting for sure. It has the potential to reduce claim times and actually reduce safety risks by treating difficult mental health conditions and not to mention save lives . As Vets, law enforcement personnel, first responders, crime victims and regular Joe citizens are being treated with increasing success the case for “prohibition” decreases.

Things like PTSD, complex PTSD and severe depression can take years to treat with limited success.

As usual, the aviation industry’s solution( non- solution) of “ no way” is being applied. I can’t see this lasting for long..

Let’s say someone does psychedelic psychotherapy off and on for a year.. apply a grounding time post- therapy and have it supervised by a psychiatrist. Done..

I think it’s safer to have this regulated with actual guidance out in the open than the current paradigm. Have someone do a drug test to prove being “ clean” before going online.

There’s a massive difference between recreational drug use and therapeutic use of psychedelics.

Nice Post!

Well said!

I had some reading up to do after my cousin did it. It was a phenomenal experience for her and it’s out of your system incredibly fast. As most people are probably aware Psilocybin has been seeing great results as well, but these need to be supported experiences combined with therapy to achieve maximum benefit and safety.

My cousin has a high stakes job so she took off some time to make sure everything was settled before returning to work.
The alarming thing about this, which is both positive and negative is my cousin received these therapies in the private sector and the depression diagnosis never did make its way on to her health record.

[CpnCrunch]

Well said!

I had some reading up to do after my cousin did it. It was a phenomenal experience for her and it’s out of your system incredibly fast. As most people are probably aware Psilocybin has been seeing great results as well, but these need to be supported experiences combined with therapy to achieve maximum benefit and safety.

My cousin has a high stakes job so she took off some time to make sure everything was settled before returning to work.
The alarming thing about this, which is both positive and negative is my cousin received these therapies in the private sector and the depression diagnosis never did make its way on to her health record.

If you look at the research (see my post above), ketamine isn't any more effective than placebo at reducing depression. Even in the placebo group, many people had a miraculous life-changing experience.

In your cousin's case, perhaps the "high stakes job" had something to do with it.

Even with current anti-depressants, it is estimated that at least 75% of the effect is due to the placebo effect.

The best thing you can do if you have depression is take a long hard look at your lifestyle, and get rid of all the crap in your life.

[Blueontop]

Well said!

I had some reading up to do after my cousin did it. It was a phenomenal experience for her and it’s out of your system incredibly fast. As most people are probably aware Psilocybin has been seeing great results as well, but these need to be supported experiences combined with therapy to achieve maximum benefit and safety.

My cousin has a high stakes job so she took off some time to make sure everything was settled before returning to work.
The alarming thing about this, which is both positive and negative is my cousin received these therapies in the private sector and the depression diagnosis never did make its way on to her health record.

If you look at the research (see my post above), ketamine isn't any more effective than placebo at reducing depression. Even in the placebo group, many people had a miraculous life-changing experience.

In your cousin's case, perhaps the "high stakes job" had something to do with it.

Even with current anti-depressants, it is estimated that at least 75% of the effect is due to the placebo effect.

The best thing you can do if you have depression is take a long hard look at your lifestyle, and get rid of all the crap in your life.

and just pull themselves up by their own boot straps as well eh..

[CpnCrunch]

and just pull themselves up by their own boot straps as well eh..

Your point?

[daedalusx]

Yeah don’t exercise, stop drinking and eating goyslop, just swallow some SSRIs, it’s safe and effective.

*warning* side effects may include suicidal ideation and death.

Oh and they don’t work. No refunds tho.
https://adaa.org/learn-from-us/from-the ... rk-anymore

[lostav8r]

Well said!

I had some reading up to do after my cousin did it. It was a phenomenal experience for her and it’s out of your system incredibly fast. As most people are probably aware Psilocybin has been seeing great results as well, but these need to be supported experiences combined with therapy to achieve maximum benefit and safety.

My cousin has a high stakes job so she took off some time to make sure everything was settled before returning to work.
The alarming thing about this, which is both positive and negative is my cousin received these therapies in the private sector and the depression diagnosis never did make its way on to her health record.

If you look at the research (see my post above), ketamine isn't any more effective than placebo at reducing depression. Even in the placebo group, many people had a miraculous life-changing experience.

In your cousin's case, perhaps the "high stakes job" had something to do with it.

Even with current anti-depressants, it is estimated that at least 75% of the effect is due to the placebo effect.

The best thing you can do if you have depression is take a long hard look at your lifestyle, and get rid of all the crap in your life.

Obviously you need to improve every aspect you can but modern life is pretty shit, who has time to stay healthy cook get to work on time, and not let the crushing cost of living get to their head?

Yeah don’t exercise, stop drinking and eating goyslop, just swallow some SSRIs, it’s safe and effective.

*warning* side effects may include suicidal ideation and death.

Oh and they don’t work. No refunds tho.
https://adaa.org/learn-from-us/from-the ... rk-anymore

I know people outside flying who had a huge increase in QOL with SSRI's, also who is saying it's a single prong approach?

[CpnCrunch]

Yeah, it's not a single prong approach, and I've seen antidepressants help people too. But you need to be realistic about expectations, and if life/emotional problems are there, you should do what you can to address those.

IMO lifestyle changes are likely to have the biggest effect. It is difficult making a big change, but it's worth it. Happy to discuss more with anyone via PM.

[Tony Soprano]

Since ketamine therapy is legal what is tc’s view if someone was to use it?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34503619/


It’s interesting for sure. It has the potential to reduce claim times and actually reduce safety risks by treating difficult mental health conditions and not to mention save lives . As Vets, law enforcement personnel, first responders, crime victims and regular Joe citizens are being treated with increasing success the case for “prohibition” decreases.

Things like PTSD, complex PTSD and severe depression can take years to treat with limited success.

As usual, the aviation industry’s solution( non- solution) of “ no way” is being applied. I can’t see this lasting for long..

Let’s say someone does psychedelic psychotherapy off and on for a year.. apply a grounding time post- therapy and have it supervised by a psychiatrist. Done..

I think it’s safer to have this regulated with actual guidance out in the open than the current paradigm. Have someone do a drug test to prove being “ clean” before going online.

There’s a massive difference between recreational drug use and therapeutic use of psychedelics.

Nice Post!

Well said!

I had some reading up to do after my cousin did it. It was a phenomenal experience for her and it’s out of your system incredibly fast. As most people are probably aware Psilocybin has been seeing great results as well, but these need to be supported experiences combined with therapy to achieve maximum benefit and safety.

My cousin has a high stakes job so she took off some time to make sure everything was settled before returning to work.
The alarming thing about this, which is both positive and negative is my cousin received these therapies in the private sector and the depression diagnosis never did make its way on to her health record.

Great. Why don't we all self-medicate based on anecdotal evidence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/us/a ... nment.html

[CL-Skadoo!]

I knew that was coming.

I’m absolutely with you, no self medicating. I’m talking supervised, clinical applications with proper return to work strategies. I think I was clear about that, but the point bears repeating. If you’re going through mental health issues, whatever the therapies, you should be away from work to get them well sorted before returning. I thought that was an obvious, prudent thing, but look how quickly I was proven wrong.

So in the abscence of common sense, don’t experiment and don’t show up for work having been awake for 40 hours.