E2 pax loads on eastern routes

[aboveclouds]

It appears the passenger loads for most western flights are still only 30% full when I try and make a dummy booking and see the number of seats available. Is this true? Is this a concern at all? Are the loads expected to get better with Florida and California coming online soon?

[Chaxterium]

It appears the passenger loads for most western flights are still only 30% full when I try and make a dummy booking and see the number of seats available. Is this true? Is this a concern at all? Are the loads expected to get better with Florida and California coming online soon?

Every time I fly these routes they're pretty damn full. I don't remember the last time I had fewer than 100 pax on a western flight. I haven't operated in a few weeks though so my info could be out of date.

[accountant]

I flew YYC-YYZ mid day two weekends ago - 50% full.

YYZ-YYC evening mid week last week - 29 on the flight.

Morning flight weekday back in sept was 90% full.

Seems to depend on day and time.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I flew YYC-YYZ mid day two weekends ago - 50% full.

YYZ-YYC evening mid week last week - 29 on the flight.

Morning flight weekday back in sept was 90% full.

Seems to depend on day and time.

Perfect for commuters. Always some seats avail. I sign like 2-4 forms per flight.

[CaptDukeNukem]

It appears the passenger loads for most western flights are still only 30% full when I try and make a dummy booking and see the number of seats available. Is this true? Is this a concern at all? Are the loads expected to get better with Florida and California coming online soon?

Dummy bookings? Man you gotta get out of the house lol. If porter was on the TSX, I’d possibly call you a short seller but you just literally have zero friends.

Try the gym or a bar, it’s where people met before the internet.

[accountant]

I flew YYC-YYZ mid day two weekends ago - 50% full.

YYZ-YYC evening mid week last week - 29 on the flight.

Morning flight weekday back in sept was 90% full.

Seems to depend on day and time.

Perfect for commuters. Always some seats avail. I sign like 2-4 forms per flight.

Pretty sure on each flight we had a bunch of commuters. I know on my YYC-YYZ flight there were 4 pilots heading to E2 training.

[aboveclouds]

I am not sure how having low passenger loads of less than 40 passengers per flight on average are sustainable for the E2 growth plans. Time will tell...

[accountant]

YYz-yul flights were 90 pct full each time

[braaap Braap]

I am not sure how having low passenger loads of less than 40 passengers per flight on average are sustainable for the E2 growth plans. Time will tell...

Where are you getting this “less than 40 passengers per flight on average” from?

[CaptDukeNukem]

I am not sure how having low passenger loads of less than 40 passengers per flight on average are sustainable for the E2 growth plans. Time will tell...

Show us your “research” that says we have less than 40 pax per flight on the E2, then maybe you can gain a little credibility.

[aboveclouds]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

[braaap Braap]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

I do not think that is an accurate method. I can see the loads and the average is certainly higher than 40

[Chaxterium]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

Here are the loads on my last few Western Flights:

YYZ-YYC: 94
YYC-YYZ: 132

YYZ-YEG: 111
YEG-YYZ: 125

YYZ-YVR: 88
YVR-YYZ: 127

YYZ-YEG: 87
YEG-YYZ: 52

If my math is correct that's an average of 102 pax per flight. I'm not sure how many pax we need to break even but I've heard 50 being bandied around.

[CaptDukeNukem]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

Here are the loads on my last few Western Flights:

YYZ-YYC: 94
YYC-YYZ: 132

YYZ-YEG: 111
YEG-YYZ: 125

YYZ-YVR: 88
YVR-YYZ: 127

YYZ-YEG: 87
YEG-YYZ: 52

If my math is correct that's an average of 102 pax per flight. I'm not sure how many pax we need to break even but I've heard 50 being bandied around.

West has been good. The OP mentioned eastern routes. I think that they have been slightly lower than your numbers. But they have been better than when it started. Also, it’s all about how people connect to other cities. The addition of more routes will only improve those numbers

[Chaxterium]

The OP mentioned eastern routes.

I was responding to this:

It appears the passenger loads for most western flights are still only 30% full when I try and make a dummy booking and see the number of seats available. Is this true? Is this a concern at all? Are the loads expected to get better with Florida and California coming online soon?

[accountant]

I think my one nighttime return to YYC was an anomaly (29 total). The others were all over 50 pax.

[CaptDukeNukem]

The OP mentioned eastern routes.

I was responding to this:

It appears the passenger loads for most western flights are still only 30% full when I try and make a dummy booking and see the number of seats available. Is this true? Is this a concern at all? Are the loads expected to get better with Florida and California coming online soon?

Apologies. I missed that. Yea western routes have been solid.

[CarlG2000]

As a new jazz pilot I’ll be needing to commute from YYZ to YYC soon. By the sounds of things I’ll be making good use of the RJP program and doing lots of my commuting with Porter!

[JakeLRS]

My YEG-YYZ flight on Monday October 30th is sold out. So clearly demand and awareness is picking up.

[ziggy]

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On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.
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Here are the loads on my last few Western Flights:

YYZ-YYC: 94
YYC-YYZ: 132

YYZ-YEG: 111
YEG-YYZ: 125

YYZ-YVR: 88
YVR-YYZ: 127

YYZ-YEG: 87
YEG-YYZ: 52

If my math is correct that's an average of 102 pax per flight. I'm not sure how many pax we need to break even but I've heard 50 being bandied around.
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50 pax to break even? LOL. Not a chance. Not into canadas bigger airports. Unless each ticket is maybe 1000$

[flyinhigh]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

Yeah, very flawed and a waste of time.

A. To get to that screen you wasted 5 minutes of your life trying to get a beat on loads. Why in the world would you bother with that.

B. I did just that on some of our flights, and can definitively tell you the actually loads are significantly higher.

[CaptDukeNukem]

On Porter's website when you book a flight and go to select your seats for same day or next day travel I am seeing this. I am not sure if this is accurate or not which is why I was asking. I am not sure what the reality is. If the average passenger loads are actually much higher than the 40 passengers per flight, that is great.

Here are the loads on my last few Western Flights:

YYZ-YYC: 94
YYC-YYZ: 132

YYZ-YEG: 111
YEG-YYZ: 125

YYZ-YVR: 88
YVR-YYZ: 127

YYZ-YEG: 87
YEG-YYZ: 52

If my math is correct that's an average of 102 pax per flight. I'm not sure how many pax we need to break even but I've heard 50 being bandied around.

50 pax to break even? LOL. Not a chance. Not into canadas bigger airports. Unless each ticket is maybe 1000$

You should see the E2s fuel burns. With the cost Porter paid for the jets, 50 seats is probably not far off.

[ziggy]

What's fuel burn at cruise

[kiaszceski]

Interesting to see more people going to YYZ than the other way around. I thought the loads would be close as people have to go back home at some point.

[CaptDukeNukem]

What's fuel burn at cruise

1600-1700 pph with a full boat at higher 30 at .77/.78