That was a close one...

[RoAF-Mig21]

So is this something that they would pull the CVR and FDR for? I understand that aircraft was inspected and quickly returned to service. Does the TSB need to be notified? The media attention this got is quite significant.

[Army of one]

Textbook ladies and gentlemen. Textbook.

Care to elaborate?

[‘Bob’]

Textbook ladies and gentlemen. Textbook.

I agree.

[Me262]

Something like 90% of the complaints in yyz are from 6 phone #s......most are on the approach for 15/33. If the airport authorities were smart they would track them down get a real estate professional to offer them 10% over appraisal, but then put a restrictive covenant preventing complaints as they were advised they were on an approach to Canada's busiest airport.

Or just ignore them. Was the airport build before your house? Yes? Go talk with the agent who sold you the house. Bye

[cdnavater]

So is this something that they would pull the CVR and FDR for? I understand that aircraft was inspected and quickly returned to service. Does the TSB need to be notified? The media attention this got is quite significant.

The inspection would include the FDR data for the Gs on landing, they have parameters a guidelines for the inspection after a hard landing. I doubt the CVR would be included if it doesn’t meet the requirements for a reportable event.
I’m sure the pilots filed an SMS report that will likely be investigated by the safety department.

[RoAF-Mig21]

So is this something that they would pull the CVR and FDR for? I understand that aircraft was inspected and quickly returned to service. Does the TSB need to be notified? The media attention this got is quite significant.

The inspection would include the FDR data for the Gs on landing, they have parameters a guidelines for the inspection after a hard landing. I doubt the CVR would be included if it doesn’t meet the requirements for a reportable event.
I’m sure the pilots filed an SMS report that will likely be investigated by the safety department.

Thanks for the reply. I really hope that YYZ will make an effort to utilize 33L/33R more often. I understand the limitations, but at the same time, they're there for a reason. I also flew that day and the crosswinds were pretty nasty, landing on 24L. If EWR can make it happen with "2.5" runways (since 11/29 is barely used), I'm sure YYZ can make it happen.

Maybe some NAV Canada controllers can give us a better insight.

[complexintentions]

The “NHL of airlines” ladies and gentleman

Ahhh don't feel bad.

Maybe you'll let you interview again one day. Not everyone gets into the NHL either.

[Tedhitchcock]

Wow.. Like a bull in a vagina shop!

[rookiepilot]

Reported wind immediately after the landing was 310 at 10G22. Not 32, not 42. 22.

For a heavy jet.

[AirCandida]

Wind sock steady and ailerons getting a good work out prior to flair. Text book PIO. Likely another training flight for a new FO fresh off a PC12

[Col. Panic]

I have nearly 2000 hours on 777 alone, most in the left seat.

So probably a total of about 47 landings?

[PostmasterGeneral]

Wind sock steady and ailerons getting a good work out prior to flair. Text book PIO. Likely another training flight for a new FO fresh off a PC12

FO has over 13 year’s experience on the 777. The captain even more so. Check your facts.

[cjp]

Wind sock steady and ailerons getting a good work out prior to flair. Text book PIO. Likely another training flight for a new FO fresh off a PC12

FO has over 13 year’s experience on the 777. The captain even more so. Check your facts.

With that much experience in the cockpit, it's amazing how quickly a stable approach can turn into such an exciting landing.

[Army of one]

Textbook ladies and gentlemen. Textbook.

Care to elaborate?

daedalusx

Where you at, where'd you disappear to?

Why don't you grab your 777 AOM and FCTM (there are some Policy references as well) and let's break it all down.

Ive only been flying 40 years, I love learning new things.

[Army of one]

Wind sock steady and ailerons getting a good work out prior to flair. Text book PIO. Likely another training flight for a new FO fresh off a PC12

FO has over 13 year’s experience on the 777. The captain even more so. Check your facts.

With that much experience in the cockpit, it's amazing how quickly a stable approach can turn into such an exciting landing.

I flew with that CA as a kid, was also an FO I flew with. CA has probably near 20,000 hours experience, teeth were cut flying in some of the most challenging and inhospitable environments in the world. Lots of heavy time, lots of 777 time. Golden hands and feet.

Wanna challenge the result relying on AOM FCTM or Company Policy then feel free to set it out.

More disheartening to me, honestly, is the capacity and the ease, where one pilot, shits on another pilot, where instances such as these arise. To me, it's unfortunate, to me it's indicative of a bigger problem. I feel in some ways, it also contributes to the overarching issues facing pilots in Canada in general, which results in the WAWCON realities we find ourselves in.

Not pointing at you in particular, but there are many, too many.

A bit messed up

[Army of one]

I have nearly 2000 hours on 777 alone, most in the left seat.

So probably a total of about 47 landings?

Brilliant. You are brilliant. Your wit, fully exhilarating. Bravo.

[Jet Jockey]

Shit happens!

No one here that has been flying for many years can say they never fucked up before.

Yes, that was one rough landing but without further info who knows what lead to it.

I’d cut the pilots some slack on this incident.

[AirCandida]

Funny, if it was another airline, the air canada kids would be shit posting with the holier than thou attitude. You reap what you sow.

[Old fella]

Normally I wouldn’t comment on such a thread simply because I have zero knowledge of airline ops and the various types other to acknowledge a B777 is a big airplane. I cut my teeth for a few years in YYT when one does develop decent stick and rudder skills, especially when the gales of November come slashing. I did a decent share of “ slip, sliding, away “ landings and it happens, simple as that, and it happens to all regardless of aircraft type, airline, total flying and previous background. No doubt that crew are embarrassed, who wouldn’t and bet there was some interesting detail discussion after shutdown. Some of the peanut gallery commentary here though is expected, typically.

[Stu Pidasso]

CYYZ is a shameful place that I go to the ends of the earth to avoid. Putting a T7 on 24L (shortest runway at that Airport) is outrageous. The GTAA and Nav Canada, both highly incompetent organizations.

[chaster]

For The Grace Of God . There ain’t no one driving an Airplane that this can’t happen to. Nooo Onee ! Be careful what one says KARMAS a bitch. SHIT can arise anytime,anywhere TOP GUN or not!

[Jet Jockey]

CYYZ is a shameful place that I go to the ends of the earth to avoid. The GTAA and Nav Canada, both highly incompetent organizations.

Could not agree more... one of the worst airports in the world.

[rookiepilot]

Funny, if it was another airline, the air canada kids would be shit posting with the holier than thou attitude. You reap what you sow.

+100

Really. Look in the mirror.

[J31]

Putting a T7 on 24L (shortest runway at that Airport) is outrageous.

9000 ft runway is short for a B777!

The GTAA and Nav Canada, both highly incompetent organizations.

So we go from bashing AC pilots to bashing ATC? While GTAA and NavCan have their issues, lets deal with them in a constructive dialogue. It is pretty disrespectful to make wild accusations like that, it disrespects a lot of very competent professionals.

[Army of one]

Im Air Canada, 30 years Air Canada.

Funny, if it was another airline, the air canada kids would be shit posting with the holier than thou attitude. You reap what you sow.

Not me. Not any of my friends.

I choose to be better than that.