Captain cl 605 execaire

[nohojob]

Anyone would know what is the salary range for this job ?

[cjp]

The big questions are:

What's your experience?
Any international jet ops?
Do you have a CL65 type rating?
What do you believe this position is worth?

These are all major factors in your negotiation when the time comes for the position.

[thepoors]

Left seat of a 605 you should be looking for 170-180k on the low end.

If you have significant heavy jet time, oceanic exp, or type rating 200k+

[Canadaflyer46]

Is this the same Execaire who have the Legacy/CJs in YYC? They were paying around $80k for Legacy captain when I chatted to one of their pilots this summer. Yes, for captain. Also no days off, 24/7 on call.

[garfield]

Slavery?

[whistlerboy02]

Agreed its $180,000 for a Challenger Captain these days, plus all the usual benefits

[nohojob]

The big questions are:

What's your experience?

Any international jet ops?
Do you have a CL65 type rating?
What do you believe this position is worth?

These are all major factors in your negotiation when the time comes for the position.

Answers to your questions:

North of 10k with half of that on NB with mostly international experience.
No type rating on CL 65.
And no I really don't know how much this position is worth, that's why I am asking as I never flew a corporate jet.

[cjp]

The big questions are:

What's your experience?

Any international jet ops?
Do you have a CL65 type rating?
What do you believe this position is worth?

These are all major factors in your negotiation when the time comes for the position.

Answers to your questions:

North of 10k with half of that on NB with mostly international experience.
No type rating on CL 65.
And no I really don't know how much this position is worth, that's why I am asking as I never flew a corporate jet.

Hopefully some of that 10k is Captain. That'll be your selling point. The question about what it's worth is not about someone else telling you what it's worth, it's about what you expect based on your experience - i.e let's say last position you were making 200k+ flying your NB jet (let's be honest 5k hours on the same airliner should have you well over 200k/yr). You should be building a compelling negotiation going into the interview expecting to net that much or more. Who tf cares what they want to pay, or what some other chump took as an offer.

Only caution, if you don't believe your valuation, neither will they - and you always need to be ready to walk away.

If you're desperate for the job, no point in asking here, just go see what they slide across the table. It'll be about 30-50% below market.

[Roar]

Is this the same Execaire who have the Legacy/CJs in YYC? They were paying around $80k for Legacy captain when I chatted to one of their pilots this summer. Yes, for captain. Also no days off, 24/7 on call.

Whoever you were speaking to was jerking your chain, I can assure you, with the exception of Execaire have a Legacy/CJ in YYC, everything you wrote is incorrect.

[nohojob]

So about 180 a year seems about a normal salary for this position. Thanks for the info.

About if I should make 200k flying the same airliner for 5000 hours?
Yes, this number makes sense but in an airline environment it doesn't work this way.
As you know it goes with a fixed salary scale, so if you were laid off and you start with a new company, you start as an fo at the very bottom of the scale and there is no room for negotiation.

So the very important point I take away is in the corporate world it is all about negotiation. Thank you all.

[Canadaflyer46]

Is this the same Execaire who have the Legacy/CJs in YYC? They were paying around $80k for Legacy captain when I chatted to one of their pilots this summer. Yes, for captain. Also no days off, 24/7 on call.

Whoever you were speaking to was jerking your chain, I can assure you, with the exception of Execaire have a Legacy/CJ in YYC, everything you wrote is incorrect.

I can assure you, there was no chain-jerking involved. It was depressingly true. I hope the OP comes back and tells us what salary they’re actually offering for this Challenger spot. My guess is no more than 120-130 at this company.

[cjp]

Good luck brother, 180k in my opinion is still low compared to what these management companies expect for response and availability. 24 hour, 2 hour on call with no pre-defined time off, and vacation generally scheduled around aircraft maintenance. No bonuses or love either as you are a small cog in a big machine.
If you don't have it on paper, it doesn't mean jack. You can't enforce it. That's why they get you to sign and initial their contracts 10-20 times.

Sure you may only fly 200 hours a year, but good luck with getting any reasonable communication regarding when those plans will be or the changes. Pilot lifestyle is an afterthought, actually it's not a thought at all, you are generally dispensible.

Execaire
Chartright
Novajet
Skyservice
Flightexec
Flightpath
London Air Service
etc
etc
etc

All operate with the same philosophy - bond the pilots for initial and recurrent, minimum crew, and low ball the salary. This keeps crew constant and cheap for approximately 2 to 3 years. Owners are fickle and will bounce from company to company, and if they choose they will happily sell the jet out from under you without any notice.

180k is not a lot. We should be asking for more and not letting them (the management companies) dictate what they over promised to the ownership.

[Roar]

Is this the same Execaire who have the Legacy/CJs in YYC? They were paying around $80k for Legacy captain when I chatted to one of their pilots this summer. Yes, for captain. Also no days off, 24/7 on call.

Whoever you were speaking to was jerking your chain, I can assure you, with the exception of Execaire have a Legacy/CJ in YYC, everything you wrote is incorrect.

I can assure you, there was no chain-jerking involved. It was depressingly true. I hope the OP comes back and tells us what salary they’re actually offering for this Challenger spot. My guess is no more than 120-130 at this company.

No, it’s not true. I guarantee I know more about Execaire than you.
You were either not told the truth or misunderstood.
And for everyone’s information at management companies such as Execaire, Skyservice, Chartright, ect. there is no pay scale like at an airline or Air Sprint. The management company give salary recommendations to the individual aircraft owners, then at time of hire the pilot either through the company or directly with the owner negotiate their own salary.

[nohojob]

Is this the same Execaire who have the Legacy/CJs in YYC? They were paying around $80k for Legacy captain when I chatted to one of their pilots this summer. Yes, for captain. Also no days off, 24/7 on call.

Whoever you were speaking to was jerking your chain, I can assure you, with the exception of Execaire have a Legacy/CJ in YYC, everything you wrote is incorrect.

I can assure you, there was no chain-jerking involved. It was depressingly true. I hope the OP comes back and tells us what salary they’re actually offering for this Challenger spot. My guess is no more than 120-130 at this company.

I will not come back with what they will offer me on this one since I will not apply. My question was related to the opportunity to keep flying after 65 which, unfortunately is not very far in the future .

Right now I am making more than the suggested salary and my schedule is such that I can plan most events in my life (beside Christmas).

However 180k will be a lot better once I will be kicked out from my job than the government pension plus my savings.

Again thank you all for those usefull informations since again, I know nothing of the corporate world.

[JHR]

Sure another airline guy with a pension who will take a corporate job for a fraction of the going rate. Just do everyone a favour and enjoy your retirement please.

[nohojob]

Sure another airline guy with a pension who will take a corporate job for a fraction of the going rate. Just do everyone a favour and enjoy your retirement please.

Do me a favour, mind your own business !

[JHR]

Hahahahahahaha touched a nerve

[thepoors]

Whoever you were speaking to was jerking your chain, I can assure you, with the exception of Execaire have a Legacy/CJ in YYC, everything you wrote is incorrect.

I can assure you, there was no chain-jerking involved. It was depressingly true. I hope the OP comes back and tells us what salary they’re actually offering for this Challenger spot. My guess is no more than 120-130 at this company.

I will not come back with what they will offer me on this one since I will not apply. My question was related to the opportunity to keep flying after 65 which, unfortunately is not very far in the future .

Right now I am making more than the suggested salary and my schedule is such that I can plan most events in my life (beside Christmas).

However 180k will be a lot better once I will be kicked out from my job than the government pension plus my savings.

Again thank you all for those usefull informations since again, I know nothing of the corporate world.

JHR is spot on. If you're coming up on 65, you can't hold a 704 captain position anyway so don't worry about it.

Retire and get a hobby. I'm sick of geriatrics clinging on well past your best-by date. Paying out of pocket for type ratings and accepting substandard pay, hurting everyone trying to make a career in corporate.

You picked the airlines, and it's over now. Corporate isn't a "retirement gig." Is your life that empty that you can't find anything else to do with your time?

[Canadaflyer46]

I can assure you, there was no chain-jerking involved. It was depressingly true. I hope the OP comes back and tells us what salary they’re actually offering for this Challenger spot. My guess is no more than 120-130 at this company.

I will not come back with what they will offer me on this one since I will not apply. My question was related to the opportunity to keep flying after 65 which, unfortunately is not very far in the future .

Right now I am making more than the suggested salary and my schedule is such that I can plan most events in my life (beside Christmas).

However 180k will be a lot better once I will be kicked out from my job than the government pension plus my savings.

Again thank you all for those usefull informations since again, I know nothing of the corporate world.

JHR is spot on. If you're coming up on 65, you can't hold a 704 captain position anyway so don't worry about it.

Retire and get a hobby. I'm sick of geriatrics clinging on well past your best-by date. Paying out of pocket for type ratings and accepting substandard pay, hurting everyone trying to make a career in corporate.

You picked the airlines, and it's over now. Corporate isn't a "retirement gig." Is your life that empty that you can't find anything else to do with your time?

Well said.

[nohojob]

I will not come back with what they will offer me on this one since I will not apply. My question was related to the opportunity to keep flying after 65 which, unfortunately is not very far in the future .

Right now I am making more than the suggested salary and my schedule is such that I can plan most events in my life (beside Christmas).

However 180k will be a lot better once I will be kicked out from my job than the government pension plus my savings.

Again thank you all for those usefull informations since again, I know nothing of the corporate world.

JHR is spot on. If you're coming up on 65, you can't hold a 704 captain position anyway so don't worry about it.

Retire and get a hobby. I'm sick of geriatrics clinging on well past your best-by date. Paying out of pocket for type ratings and accepting substandard pay, hurting everyone trying to make a career in corporate.

You picked the airlines, and it's over now. Corporate isn't a "retirement gig." Is your life that empty that you can't find anything else to do with your time?

Well said.

Wow ! Speaking of hitting a nerve !
I can't believe how bitter and sour you guys are ! It's amazing.

I guess, too much time on social media bitching will do it !

But yes, true, I have 1 foot in the end of my aviation career and the other one in my tomb !

But as long as I can work I will for 2 reasons:
First of all because I like it, it's fun and second to make money.

Have a good career !