Timing the cycle

[Core]

Why post US pilot wages? Different economies entirely.

Comparable wages are only for the management and executives.

[RippleRock]

Sheesh.....Accountant and their Ilk have you guys talked down below 55%. Impressive.

So where do we go from here?


Oh ya....I know.


HOLD the f*&#ing LINE!

[PositiveRate27]

Sheesh.....Accountant and their Ilk have you guys talked down below 55%. Impressive.

So where do we go from here?


Oh ya....I know.


HOLD the f*&#ing LINE!

I’m still trying to figure out how WestJet got 24% given the obvious market forces only demanded 4%. 6 times larger than accountant expected. How was he so wrong?

I’m dying to know.

[flying4dollars]

So you’re saying you expect at minimum a deal for a 53.65% increase just to erase inflation from 2003-2023, let alone inflation moving forward?

You’re out to lunch.

I may have been slightly off on my projection but there is no way AC is going to give you that right off the top.

Exactly. I'm expecting TA1 will be somewhere around 30% for new hires, and 25% at the top of the pay scale, all spread over four years.

30% for new hires only brings that up to about 85,000, I’m thinking new hires will get at least 50% and decreasing as you go up to the 25-30% range in the top scale. This from an outsider but realistically where it should be, so I hope I’m right, accountant your thoughts, lol

Your math is off. 30% would put a new hire at $76,700 and 50% would be $88,500.

[UndisputedTruth]

Supporting retro pay, vs supporting 55% retro pay are two different things.

Don't worry, he's happy to give you some schekels while you "Hold the Line"

Suck my schekel. Now go count your beans. Bean counter.

[UndisputedTruth]

Who’s the absolute idiot who signed the prior contract?

10 years? 2% a year, right?

Gentle Question.

Are you absolutely brain dead?

Whenever I inform my non-aviation people that’s the very reaction I receive.

It wasn’t incompetence but greed and core betrayal of the ACPA MEC members. They were in bed with management and now are mostly moved into management roles themselves.

[cdnavater]

Exactly. I'm expecting TA1 will be somewhere around 30% for new hires, and 25% at the top of the pay scale, all spread over four years.

30% for new hires only brings that up to about 85,000, I’m thinking new hires will get at least 50% and decreasing as you go up to the 25-30% range in the top scale. This from an outsider but realistically where it should be, so I hope I’m right, accountant your thoughts, lol

Your math is off. 30% would put a new hire at $76,700 and 50% would be $88,500.

What is year one pay? For some reason I thought it was 65g, it appears it’s 59g based on your numbers

[Bingo Fuel]

Year 1 flat pay is 65.03/hr, which works out to 58,527 annually, according to Crewsware.

[rookiepilot]

Who’s the absolute idiot who signed the prior contract?

10 years? 2% a year, right?

Gentle Question.

Are you absolutely brain dead?

Whenever I inform my non-aviation people that’s the very reaction I receive.

It wasn’t incompetence but greed and core betrayal of the ACPA MEC members. They were in bed with management and now are mostly moved into management roles themselves.

That’s not a good look for those of you who voted those guys in.

Its like those who voted in their political party and then blame them for their idiocy.

I’d be apologizing. Forever. But of course no one does that now.

[Ash Ketchum]

IMO new hire pay needs to go up 100% at least and none of this 4 year flat pay stuff. Max 1-2 years fixed pay. Anyone on formula pay needs a 50% bump at least. That's what the consensus is in the flight deck whenever I fly these days. I don't think the pilot group will vote anything less in.

[flying4dollars]

30% for new hires only brings that up to about 85,000, I’m thinking new hires will get at least 50% and decreasing as you go up to the 25-30% range in the top scale. This from an outsider but realistically where it should be, so I hope I’m right, accountant your thoughts, lol

Your math is off. 30% would put a new hire at $76,700 and 50% would be $88,500.

What is year one pay? For some reason I thought it was 65g, it appears it’s 59g based on your numbers

It's about $59k yup. Year 2 is around $64k, year 3 is $74k and year 4 is $85k