Wear your goddamn lanyard!

[crashpadcommute]

I dont think there is a limit on surveying the membership and measuring the trust levels

This MEC always seems to be communicating and keeping close to the membership

A far cry from the cronyism of ACPA

[flyingfool]

Isn't it basic statistics to ask these questions to get a baseline to track trends?

Maybe. Time will tell. Im standing by, motivated, angry (controlled anger), and waiting.

Ive seen the train wreck movie too many times, I know it all too well. Just saying it looks familiar.

The time for basic statistics and baselines are long over for me.

I want a real and substantive redirect from my MEC. Otherwise, meh, ACPA with the ALPA logo.

I assume there is a measured strategy with negotiating and making contractual gains. That should be the focus

Not stoking fires for political purposes

[CPU2000]

ACPA didn't stoke fires or make contractual gains

I guess minus the flames they stoked to their own demise

[Army of one]

I assume there is a measured strategy with negotiating and making contractual gains. That should be the focus
Not stoking fires for political purposes

Our endgame appears the same. Methodology, not so much.

Ive seen the measured strategy. Ive participated in keeping the focus keenly on,.. not stoking fires. I don't know if you were around, but we have proudly and profoundly referred to it as "keeping our powder dry", and since about 1999, or about 24 years. We were beat every time, every time. Beaten, and beaten badly. As noted earlier, I am embarrassed by it.

I hope you guys are right. I'll gladly say so should you be.

Nothing I would like more.

Word of advice; Stay engaged, write to your MEC. Keep them honest. Platitudes and empty rhetoric are for losers.

[FNGYYZ]

There have been pickets at YYZ, YYC and YUL.

One coming up in YVR

Not sure how anyone can say this MEC is doing much


Did Air Canada pilots even picket before??

[Army of one]

There have been pickets at YYZ, YYC and YUL. One coming up in YVR. Not sure how anyone can say this MEC is doing much

Did Air Canada pilots even picket before??

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[FNGYYZ]

There have been pickets at YYZ, YYC and YUL. One coming up in YVR. Not sure how anyone can say this MEC is doing much

Did Air Canada pilots even picket before??

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They were striking here...

So...no??

[DBC]

Did they send us other lanyards that I haven't seen yet? I was given one of the regular ones at the picket.

[Winnikegger]

Did they send us other lanyards that I haven't seen yet? I was given one of the regular ones at the picket.

Show up to an event and they hand out the world class contract lanyard

I got mine at the Toronto picket

[Montroyal]

There have been pickets at YYZ, YYC and YUL. One coming up in YVR. Not sure how anyone can say this MEC is doing much

Did Air Canada pilots even picket before??

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They were striking here...

So...no??

That is the difference between the ways of the old and the ways of the new

A conscious build up strategy and escalation. Bring the pilots along vice hiding in a cloak of secrets and then puking out of a shit deal with a target of 50 plus 1%

[Army of one]

They were striking here... So...no??

Im old, and my memory fading fast, but, pretty sure we were information picketing in 2012, prior to the lockout.

Regardless, information pickets have been around for as long as airlines have been around. If this is indeed the first time then that's great, but Im not pinning my hopes on that being a marker of significant change.

Out of the gate, the brand new ALPA MEC had the opportunity to effect two monumental changes, changes only the MEC could effect. They did neither.

I hope Im mistaken. Really I hope I am. I am FULLY supporting the MEC, I just hope this time it is different.

[dumpsterfire]

They were striking here... So...no??

Im old, and my memory fading fast, but, pretty sure we were information picketing in 2012, prior to the lockout.

Regardless, information pickets have been around for as long as airlines have been around. If this is indeed the first time then that's great, but Im not pinning my hopes on that being a marker of significant change.

Out of the gate, the brand new ALPA MEC had the opportunity to effect two monumental changes, changes only the MEC could effect. They did neither.

I hope Im mistaken. Really I hope I am. I am FULLY supporting the MEC, I just hope this time it is different.

I'd say bringing in ALPA was a pretty big Monumental change

And tossing some dead weight in the process

[dillpickle]

Did they send us other lanyards that I haven't seen yet? I was given one of the regular ones at the picket.

Reach out to your LEC, P2P or SPSC committees. They’ll get one to you.

[Blueontop]

They were striking here... So...no??

Im old, and my memory fading fast, but, pretty sure we were information picketing in 2012, prior to the lockout.

Regardless, information pickets have been around for as long as airlines have been around. If this is indeed the first time then that's great, but Im not pinning my hopes on that being a marker of significant change.

Out of the gate, the brand new ALPA MEC had the opportunity to effect two monumental changes, changes only the MEC could effect. They did neither.

I hope Im mistaken. Really I hope I am. I am FULLY supporting the MEC, I just hope this time it is different.

What were these 2 changes they did not do?

[Fanblade]

I hope Im mistaken. Really I hope I am. I am FULLY supporting the MEC, I just hope this time it is different.

Thanks for supporting the MEC Aof1.

I totally get the apprehension caused by the past. Wary as a result is natural. Keeping the MEC accountable is required. Questioning required. It’s all part of an engaged group.

Are you sure the part you feel is the “same,” is simply the labour bargaining process? Because it is the same and will always be that way. It’s how we navigate that process between start and finish that will be different. The end result, threat of work stoppage, will be the same.

One of the problems in 1998 was the company didn’t believe we would really strike. Highlighting the importance of making sure the company is unequivocally aware we are willing. Deterrence. That is one of the purposes of informational picketing. The others are unity and a public warning.

I don’t recall any informational pickets from 1998 or 2012 of the magnitude and organization we see today. Yes there were small groups that showed up at a shareholder meeting. But they were easily taken as the vocal minority and ignored. Remember that hated term? It’s hard to ignore the groups showing up at today’s pickets.

You have strike pay. Enough for some new hires to have a raise.

You have a union that won’t be bankrupted during a prolonged strike. Always a concern with a small union like ACPA and the company knew this.

You have demonstrations of determination with pickets.

What you have is a much stronger adversary for the company to deal with.

All of this amounts to deterrence. Something we have always been weak on in the past.

That weakness of the past always resulted in deterring ourselves.

“keeping our powder dry”

“Vocal minority”

“Capture the work”. ( when Article 1 already did)

“We won’t get anywhere in an adversarial manor”

“We can’t take on the company. It’s like taking a knife to a gun fight”

All of these, and more, were admissions of weakness, or excuses born of weakness.

Today we are not weak. Today we are more than willing to “make them”. And if we haven’t figured it out by now. We will get nothing until we are willing and able to “make them”

[Army of one]

What were these 2 changes they did not do?

I had a long reply for you, but I deleted it. this will have to suffice;

(1) The new MEC had the opportunity to reset the Air Canada Pilot psyche, reset their sense of worth. Ensure all parties remained accountable. They had carte blanche. I feel we needed a WOW moment, a poignant, clear and galvanizing moment. A speech, advising all past estoppels, accepted practices, broad NDAs and other dispensations facilitated by ACPA, were dead - effective immediately. Follow that with a declaration that ANY AC ALPA pilot issue related to coaching, expectation or discipline would be met with an immediate Grievance, followed by Arbitration were forced, that the days of ACPA capitulation were over.

The MEC could have, on day one, followed that by announcing the assembling of a Pilot Safety Committee. This committee would have been charged with reminding pilots of the liabilities and risks they face, literally every minute while exercising of their professional duties. Included would be such issues as Contract Adherence. The MEC could have also begun an education process, utilizing de-identified (then published) overviews of all issues where one of our pilots was involved in any capacity, with the employer, in any coaching, expectation or disciplinary event. These lessons would come with a stern reminder of the manner in which the company views us, along with regular reminders of the associated perils of rushing or otherwise placing ourselves in potential difficulties. This opportunity has been lost now.

This is what I expected from ALPA.

Instead, while we have received some communications, I have found them to be more alike, than significantly different than from preceding MECs – and,.. Ive seen them all, every one of them. ALPA missed a tremendous opportunity, in my opinion.

(2) The MEC had the opportunity to flush (or at least re-tool) the last, but most influential remnant of ACPA. They didn't. Im going to let you think about this one. You are very astute, you can connect the dots.

[flyingcanuck]

What were these 2 changes they did not do?

Instead, while we have received some communications, I have found them to be more alike, than significantly different than from preceding MECs – and,.. Ive seen them all, every one of them. ALPA missed a tremendous opportunity, in my opinion.

(2) The MEC had the opportunity to flush (or at least re-tool) the last, but most influential remnant of ACPA. They didn't. Im going to let you think about this one. You are very astute, you can connect the dots.

Sorry but I need to disagree. The tone and content of the emails has been 1000x better than the past, and in active negots they cant actually share specific information. Ive been at two ALPA carriers and so far this new MEC has shown me the best communications thus far. As for results, we will see what happens but im happy with what weve seen so far.

As for a big message, the unity seen in the latest pickets should show you most have received the message - we deserve better

[dillpickle]

If he showed up to a picket he'd know that.

[Daniel Cooper]

Wait you guys got red ones? I only have blue, and pink.

[Army of one]

If he showed up to a picket he'd know that.

Awe, you ok big baby? Having a little cry, little tantrum?

Ive been voting NO to shit contracts since probably before you were born. I know it's hard for some like you, but you may try consider a bit of humility.

Your (anonymous) keyboard drivel vomit does nothing to further our cause.

Im not your enemy, and you're not even funny.

[rooster]

If he showed up to a picket he'd know that.

Awe, you ok big baby? Having a little cry, little tantrum?

Ive been voting NO to shit contracts since probably before you were born. I know it's hard for some like you, but you may try consider a bit of humility.

Your (anonymous) keyboard drivel vomit does nothing to further our cause.

Im not your enemy, and you're not even funny.

Looks more like it's you throwing the tantrum. Didn't appear to me that he was trying to be funny to begin with. I never understood the "I've been doing this since you were born" crap. As you mentioned, he and most of us here including you are anonymous. So how do you know you've been doing anything longer than anyone here? Might wanna try and keep it humble my friend.

[dillpickle]

If he showed up to a picket he'd know that.

Awe, you ok big baby? Having a little cry, little tantrum?

Ive been voting NO to shit contracts since probably before you were born. I know it's hard for some like you, but you may try consider a bit of humility.

Your (anonymous) keyboard drivel vomit does nothing to further our cause.

Im not your enemy, and you're not even funny.

Not everyone here is a kid. You realize you have a ton of colleagues in their late 30s and early 40s right? Like full grown adults with families and children?

This type of attitude is why so many of us can’t stand half of you older pilots. Disconnected from reality and sold away our futures for your pension. And continue to defend it. That’s great you “voted no” … funny how everyone says that but somehow things still passed. It’s only now we’re starting to pick up the pieces.

I bet having a woman who’s been here like 5 years as our MEC chair really drives you nuts, eh?

[noreasterYHZ]

The MEC flushed the ex VP Flights Ops ACPA CEO

How we had the guy who locked out our pilots during the 1998 strike running the ACPA asylum is beyond me

Regardless, that turd was flushed

All leaders of ALPA are active pilots.

Pilot led, staff supported

Not ex Manager led, shill supported

[Army of one]

We had an impressive picket.

Im sure everything is gonna be fine.

[Army of one]

The MEC flushed the ex VP Flights Ops ACPA CEO. How we had the guy who locked out our pilots during the 1998 strike running the ACPA asylum is beyond me. Regardless, that turd was flushed. All leaders of ALPA are active pilots. Pilot led, staff supported. Not ex Manager led, shill supported

I fully agree with most of what you wrote, certainly the RG part.

The point I was trying to make above is that your post misses one huge component which was NOT flushed. There remains a very significant influence related to the direction of these negotiations, an influence fully imported from the debacle that was ACPA.

Its not pilot led, its the exact opposite.

For me, that is a huge concern.