SkyLink pilot union takes pay cut & b scale

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Re: SkyLink pilot union takes pay cut & b scale

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Stable_Approach wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:26 pm
Cavalier44 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:58 pm Honestly, what type of pilot is taking a job at SkyLink in today's hiring market? I feel the same way about pilots who work at SkyLink as I do about those who stayed on with "Pivot" after Air Georgian closed up shop - that is to say, there has to be something significantly wrong with either your personality or your resumé for you to get stuck working at this kind of outfit, given that basically every airline in the country is hiring.

If I was involved in the hiring department at any large 705 operator in Canada, seeing previous employment at these kinds of companies would be a major red flag in a candidate.
What an arrogant comment. Fortunately for the industry, you have not been chosen to look after hiring at any company and I hope it stays that way. Hopefully no one will have to endure long flights with the likes of you. God help them if they do. Imagine thinking you know anything about of group of your peers because of the company they work for. You don’t know squat about anyone or their situation heck you don’t even know how to conduct yourself professionally.

But to answer your question, pilots coming into Skylink are mostly sub-1000 hour getting left seat turbine time with less than 1000 hours and are rapidly recruited by the companies such as Porter, Jazz, AC, Transat, Westjet, Sunwing, Flair, Lynx and Cargojet. So you’re saying you’re better than all those recruiters? Instead of hating on a group you don’t know maybe work on your attitude some cause you just nasty and bitter.
Nobody hires pilots from SkyLink.
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I have not been a part of that org. Seems they do the routes without autopilot or gps, start before their day before and finish after many pilots, load and unload their freight and only get on wing training.

If a low hour pilot can hack it there why wouldn't he or she be able to do it with months of sim training, an autopilot and all the the nice toys??
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Re: SkyLink pilot union takes pay cut & b scale

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PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:48 am
Stable_Approach wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:26 pm
Cavalier44 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:58 pm Honestly, what type of pilot is taking a job at SkyLink in today's hiring market? I feel the same way about pilots who work at SkyLink as I do about those who stayed on with "Pivot" after Air Georgian closed up shop - that is to say, there has to be something significantly wrong with either your personality or your resumé for you to get stuck working at this kind of outfit, given that basically every airline in the country is hiring.

If I was involved in the hiring department at any large 705 operator in Canada, seeing previous employment at these kinds of companies would be a major red flag in a candidate.
What an arrogant comment. Fortunately for the industry, you have not been chosen to look after hiring at any company and I hope it stays that way. Hopefully no one will have to endure long flights with the likes of you. God help them if they do. Imagine thinking you know anything about of group of your peers because of the company they work for. You don’t know squat about anyone or their situation heck you don’t even know how to conduct yourself professionally.

But to answer your question, pilots coming into Skylink are mostly sub-1000 hour getting left seat turbine time with less than 1000 hours and are rapidly recruited by the companies such as Porter, Jazz, AC, Transat, Westjet, Sunwing, Flair, Lynx and Cargojet. So you’re saying you’re better than all those recruiters? Instead of hating on a group you don’t know maybe work on your attitude some cause you just nasty and bitter.
Nobody hires pilots from SkyLink.
I know one who went direct to WestJet recently. As in within the last few months.
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Re: SkyLink pilot union takes pay cut & b scale

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dillpickle wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:27 am
PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:48 am
Stable_Approach wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:26 pm

What an arrogant comment. Fortunately for the industry, you have not been chosen to look after hiring at any company and I hope it stays that way. Hopefully no one will have to endure long flights with the likes of you. God help them if they do. Imagine thinking you know anything about of group of your peers because of the company they work for. You don’t know squat about anyone or their situation heck you don’t even know how to conduct yourself professionally.

But to answer your question, pilots coming into Skylink are mostly sub-1000 hour getting left seat turbine time with less than 1000 hours and are rapidly recruited by the companies such as Porter, Jazz, AC, Transat, Westjet, Sunwing, Flair, Lynx and Cargojet. So you’re saying you’re better than all those recruiters? Instead of hating on a group you don’t know maybe work on your attitude some cause you just nasty and bitter.
Nobody hires pilots from SkyLink.
I know one who went direct to WestJet recently. As in within the last few months.
Two just left for Porter and another one is an AC 777 FO as new hire.
It’s faster to get into WJ through Skylink than Encore but a few years.
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Stable_Approach wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 am
dillpickle wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:27 am
PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:48 am

Nobody hires pilots from SkyLink.
I know one who went direct to WestJet recently. As in within the last few months.
Two just left for Porter and another one is an AC 777 FO as new hire.
It’s faster to get into WJ through Skylink than Encore but a few years.
From the lowest paid 1900 CA to the lowest paid WB FO.
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PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:48 am
Stable_Approach wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:26 pm
Cavalier44 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:58 pm Honestly, what type of pilot is taking a job at SkyLink in today's hiring market? I feel the same way about pilots who work at SkyLink as I do about those who stayed on with "Pivot" after Air Georgian closed up shop - that is to say, there has to be something significantly wrong with either your personality or your resumé for you to get stuck working at this kind of outfit, given that basically every airline in the country is hiring.

If I was involved in the hiring department at any large 705 operator in Canada, seeing previous employment at these kinds of companies would be a major red flag in a candidate.
What an arrogant comment. Fortunately for the industry, you have not been chosen to look after hiring at any company and I hope it stays that way. Hopefully no one will have to endure long flights with the likes of you. God help them if they do. Imagine thinking you know anything about of group of your peers because of the company they work for. You don’t know squat about anyone or their situation heck you don’t even know how to conduct yourself professionally.

But to answer your question, pilots coming into Skylink are mostly sub-1000 hour getting left seat turbine time with less than 1000 hours and are rapidly recruited by the companies such as Porter, Jazz, AC, Transat, Westjet, Sunwing, Flair, Lynx and Cargojet. So you’re saying you’re better than all those recruiters? Instead of hating on a group you don’t know maybe work on your attitude some cause you just nasty and bitter.
Nobody hires pilots from SkyLink.
On the contrary, the majority of their pilots are hired by the airlines eventually which is why their retention is so poor. Most will leave before their bond is up.
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First step CBA, second step fire Unifor and get ALPA, next step build a better CBA. It may not feel like a step forward, but hopefully future Skylink drivers will stay united just long enough to make it a better place before moving on. It may take a slowdown in airline hiring for a few people to be there long enough, and be willing to walk the line, to make real improvements.
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Yikes!! This is the first pay degradation I've heard of in recent history!! That is embarrassing!! I sincerely hope people avoid that operation. Nothing against their pilots, two of them have been my colleagues and were a pleasure to fly with. But that operation needs to disappear.
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flying4dollars wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:44 pm Yikes!! This is the first pay degradation I've heard of in recent history!! That is embarrassing!! I sincerely hope people avoid that operation. Nothing against their pilots, two of them have been my colleagues and were a pleasure to fly with. But that operation needs to disappear.
Almost all of the pilots that were involved in that CBA are gone. Pilots at Skylink dont stick around now longer than 12-18 months before being picked up by a 705 carrier. Pilots used to stick around for 3+ years and my thoughts are that the captain pay was increased for those already on property at the time at the cost of future employees. It doesn't make sense to even have a CBA there but it is what it is and the pilots are there to get their PIC turbine and two-crew time and move on.
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CanadaAir wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:19 am Prior to new agreement
FCM Annual Base Salaries will be as follows:
• B190 CA = $67500
• B190 FO = $34000
• C208 CA = $43000

New 2023 agreement
FCM Annual Base Salaries will be as follows:
• B190 CA = $64000
• B190 FO = $32500
• C208 CA = $42000

FCM Per Diems**
All FCM’s will receive per diems as follows:
• No per diem for first four hours away from home base.
• $3.45 per hour for hours in excess of four (4) hours, up to a maximum of $69.00 per day

Bond:
FIFTEEN THOUSAND, SEVEN HUNDRED. NINETY Canadian Dollars (CAD $15,790.00)
The Trainee agrees to pay SkyLink Express Inc. all legal fees incurred for the enforcement of any of the provisions of this Agreement

All new hires shall be paid a flat training allowance of $305/week until line indoc is complete (or the first revenue flight for FOs);. The training allowance shall max out at $1,540.99.

From the contract

17.4 The calculation of a FCM's hourly rate calculation is as follows: FCM's Annual Salary per Appendix 'A' divided by 52 weeks, divided by 40 hours.

B190 FO = $32500

$32500 divided by 52 weeks - $625 per week

$625 per week divided by 40 hours - $15.625 per hour


That would be $1 below the current federal minimum

"To keep pace with inflation, the federal minimum wage will increase from $15.55 to $16.65 per hour on April 1, 2023."

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-soc ... ril-1.html



Anyone know if there're other companies still paying below the federal minimum wage for pilots?
Why would a union allow this?




Pacific Coastal is paying $20,000 higher in their B1900 job post - $52.08/Credit Hour ($50,000/year minimum base salary)
Why work for $20,000 less for the same B1900 job?

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HFNav wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:25 am
CanadaAir wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:19 am Prior to new agreement
FCM Annual Base Salaries will be as follows:
• B190 CA = $67500
• B190 FO = $34000
• C208 CA = $43000

New 2023 agreement
FCM Annual Base Salaries will be as follows:
• B190 CA = $64000
• B190 FO = $32500
• C208 CA = $42000

FCM Per Diems**
All FCM’s will receive per diems as follows:
• No per diem for first four hours away from home base.
• $3.45 per hour for hours in excess of four (4) hours, up to a maximum of $69.00 per day

Bond:
FIFTEEN THOUSAND, SEVEN HUNDRED. NINETY Canadian Dollars (CAD $15,790.00)
The Trainee agrees to pay SkyLink Express Inc. all legal fees incurred for the enforcement of any of the provisions of this Agreement

All new hires shall be paid a flat training allowance of $305/week until line indoc is complete (or the first revenue flight for FOs);. The training allowance shall max out at $1,540.99.

From the contract

17.4 The calculation of a FCM's hourly rate calculation is as follows: FCM's Annual Salary per Appendix 'A' divided by 52 weeks, divided by 40 hours.

B190 FO = $32500

$32500 divided by 52 weeks - $625 per week

$625 per week divided by 40 hours - $15.625 per hour


That would be $1 below the current federal minimum

"To keep pace with inflation, the federal minimum wage will increase from $15.55 to $16.65 per hour on April 1, 2023."

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-soc ... ril-1.html



Anyone know if there're other companies still paying below the federal minimum wage for pilots?
Why would a union allow this?




Pacific Coastal is paying $20,000 higher in their B1900 job post - $52.08/Credit Hour ($50,000/year minimum base salary)
Why work for $20,000 less for the same B1900 job?

viewtopic.php?t=206619
$10.000 more higher until you hit 1000hrs. Still better with better bases
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Who the hell voted yes to this pile of dog shit?
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Cessna 180 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:22 am Who the hell voted yes to this pile of dog shit?
The pilots who have already left I assume.
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