Canada given C grade in flight safety oversight, confidential UN agency report finds

[cdnavater]

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My favorite part of the article is where it mentions that Canadian aviation is safer than it used to be, with less fatalities than we've had in the past. That's great, but our peer countries are improving at a much faster pace, and Canada is getting left behind. "...no major commercial airline crashes in decades". I guess 12 years ago is "multiple decades". Either that or a 737 isn't a major airliner (First Air 6560). I can see how they'd confuse an ATR for an airliner, but it was definitely not plural "decades" ago (WestWind 282). Canada only has had recent hard landings, hard enough to remove the landing gear and engines from the airframe (Air Canada 624).

Normally I'm disappointed in news media, especially with aviation reporting. However I'm in agreement with this article. It's time Canada steps up it's ICAO compliance and follows their recommendations. "We're Canada, so we're going to do things a bit differently" obviously isn't working.

+ How many airframes have Jazz and Encore written off in that time frame? 3 each?

You’re going to have to back that up with some facts, I know of one write off at Jazz in 2007.
Now, if you’re talking about the fuel track that hit the dash, that was a distracted driver on the apron and the gear collapse in YEG, that aircraft returned to service and was also not the pilots or companies fault, design flaw with the gear.
No idea about Encore but the way you worded your statement implies blame to the companies for the incidents/accidents.
Jazz does not play lip service to safety, they take it quite seriously and perhaps too seriously because they feel it’s safe enough to put bare ATPL in the left seat. If we see more SMS reports coming in and it’s due to inexperienced pilots, they will absolutely take action

[cdnavater]

I’m all for it if we make it as hard to pass the (edit)14 exams in 6 sittings they have in Europe.


“Please note that you must pass all exams within 18 months of your first exam sitting. You have a total of 6 sittings to pass all the exams and no more than 4 attempts at any one subject within those 6 sittings”

I absolutely agree. Only 2 exams is just skimming the surface. Mind you those exams range from 2hrs down to 45 min so not as convoluted. And it's 13 exams now.

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

[Grey_Wolf]

Most recent that I can think of, not sure if they wrote the airframe off, however at 5.5g, it must have been a costly repair
https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20171109-0

[ant_321]

I absolutely agree. Only 2 exams is just skimming the surface. Mind you those exams range from 2hrs down to 45 min so not as convoluted. And it's 13 exams now.

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

My comment wasn’t directed at you. It was me262 who’s upset that he may have to get some PIC time to become an airline captain.

[up on one]

I think the PICUS program can be a valuable tool. For example, the last pilot I ran through picus had 3 seasons on floats and about 1500 hrs as an fo between a 705 machine and a business jet. All she needed was about 15 hrs night pic. Her decision making was impeccable and scenarios such as this is what the picus program was designed for.

The present hiring requirements are far outside of what Picus was originally intended for but fear not TC will fix it shortly after they’ve caught up on our medicals

[cdnavater]

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

My comment wasn’t directed at you. It was me262 who’s upset that he may have to get some PIC time to become an airline captain.

Ok, I figured but wanted to make my stand clear anyway, also, thanks for the laugh, it’s just the world we live in now.

[cdnavater]

I think the PICUS program can be a valuable tool. For example, the last pilot I ran through picus had 3 seasons on floats and about 1500 hrs as an fo between a 705 machine and a business jet. All she needed was about 15 hrs night pic. Her decision making was impeccable and scenarios such as this is what the picus program was designed for.

The present hiring requirements are far outside of what Picus was originally intended for but fear not TC will fix it shortly after they’ve caught up on our medicals

Couldn’t agree more, your example is the only thing it should be used for but instead new hires straight from university are expecting it in order to be a Captain by 1500 hours

[tsgarp]

1.) The U.N. is a bureaucratic fiefdom; it often provides very little benefit on the ground level. I have very little confidence in them.
2.). Written exams are no measure of one’s ability to fly or command an aircraft.
3.) Time in the air and PIC time are what make a pilot.

[Me262]

I absolutely agree. Only 2 exams is just skimming the surface. Mind you those exams range from 2hrs down to 45 min so not as convoluted. And it's 13 exams now.

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

Yea, totally bullshit program when most if not all the airforce's in the world are doing it including RCAF, and it works perfectly fine for a good majority of EASA pilots who all they do after their CPL is PICUS for hundred of hours in the most busy airspace in the world. Not having to fly in the bush for "real" PIC to be a "real" pilot. As PICUS the junior pilot can get direct feedback to improve on the machine he will be a captain on. Most of you need to get out of the 80s and buffalo joe mentality.

[ant_321]

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

Yea, totally bullshit program when most if not all the airforce's in the world are doing it including RCAF, and it works perfectly fine for a good majority of EASA pilots who all they do after their CPL is PICUS for hundred of hours in the most busy airspace in the world. Not having to fly in the bush for "real" PIC to be a "real" pilot. As PICUS the junior pilot can get direct feedback to improve on the machine he will be a captain on. Most of you need to get out of the 80s and buffalo joe mentality.

I’ve never liked the concept of PICUS. Isn’t every flight PICUS? When I’m working it’s “your leg, your airplane”. Unless you are going to do something illegal or dangerous she’s all yours.

[Hangry]

It’s pretty short sighted for any professional to advocate to make any sort of licensing in their profession easier. In my opinion it’s far too easy to get an ATPL. Keep the entry as high and difficult as possible and limit supply.

My comment was more to do with, if we’re substituting actual PIC with PICUS, which is a bullshit program in the first place, at least make the exams more of a challenge.
Our exams are a joke, a weekend course and write on Monday with a guarantee you’ll pass or you can take the course again for free.
As for PICUS, another joke, you’re not really PIC, you have a safety pilot there making sure your decisions are not going to compromise safety, the real learn is when you have to make your decisions without a safety net. You think these PICUS pilots aren’t just looking at your face to see if you agree with their decisions.
If we are substituting time then without actual PIC maybe raise the total time, like when FO time only counted for half, let’s go back to that. At least with that a new hire low time would need 3000ish hours before they get the ATPL requirement!

Yea, totally bullshit program when most if not all the airforce's in the world are doing it including RCAF, and it works perfectly fine for a good majority of EASA pilots who all they do after their CPL is PICUS for hundred of hours in the most busy airspace in the world. Not having to fly in the bush for "real" PIC to be a "real" pilot. As PICUS the junior pilot can get direct feedback to improve on the machine he will be a captain on. Most of you need to get out of the 80s and buffalo joe mentality.

Your inexperience is screaming.

You don’t know what you don’t know. But one day you will.