Wow I thought salaries were on the rise

[TeePeeCreeper]

That 130k could be worth it, if the job is all scheduled flying, no on call of any kind, no non flying duties, expense account for food and incidentals on the road. 12 weeks paid vacation. And room to move up over time.

12 week of vacation?

I had a half decent owner once upon a time… 12 weeks?!? Yeah that’s never going to happen unless the airplane is down for a heavy maintenance event.

Technicolor man, your dreaming….

[co-joe]

That 130k could be worth it, if the job is all scheduled flying, no on call of any kind, no non flying duties, expense account for food and incidentals on the road. 12 weeks paid vacation. And room to move up over time.

12 week of vacation?

I had a half decent owner once upon a time… 12 weeks?!? Yeah that’s never going to happen unless the airplane is down for a heavy maintenance event.

Technicolor man, your dreaming….

As soon as they say, "and we want to make money with the plane while we're not using it" I'm out. Get someone else.

[JHR]

That salary is a joke no matter how much time off. They are looking for a captain. Good luck

[Skybomer]

Guaranteed they find one.
Retired Airline dude who makes 80-100k a year retirement salary from the airline plus 130gs from this outfit. An old fart who can’t stay away from flying yet taking a job opportunity from a younger individual.

[CL-Skadoo!]

Guaranteed they find one.
Retired Airline dude who makes 80-100k a year retirement salary from the airline plus 130gs from this outfit. An old fart who can’t stay away from flying yet taking a job opportunity from a younger individual.

That old fart will show up on their first day, squeeze themselves into the left seat of that cavernous Challenger cockpit and wonder why nothing is happening.

You didn’t file the flight plans, arrange handling, do performance, order the catering, book the hotels, book the transportation, and do the other thousand jobs that you signed up for when you took your 130k corporate job, captain!

[YC87DRVR]

Guaranteed they find one.
Retired Airline dude who makes 80-100k a year retirement salary from the airline plus 130gs from this outfit. An old fart who can’t stay away from flying yet taking a job opportunity from a younger individual.

That old fart will show up on their first day, squeeze themselves into the left seat of that cavernous Challenger cockpit and wonder why nothing is happening.

You didn’t file the flight plans, arrange handling, do performance, order the catering, book the hotels, book the transportation, and do the other thousand jobs that you signed up for when you took your 130k corporate job, captain!

We get it, corporate pilots are gods gift to aviation. Us airline folk are simply incapable of learning how to use the Marriott app, or going through the 10 steps required to file a flight plan using one of the many flight planning software’s available. That’s without even getting into having to tell the CSR at the FBO we need sandwiches for x number of pax and god forbid we have to send them a one sentence email requesting ground transportation. Us dumb airline folks would never be capable of learning such difficult work.

I mean management companies hire and train entry level flight coordinators with zero aviation experience and train them to do all those things in a day but we can pretend that doesn’t exist and corporate flying is the most difficult and demanding side of aviation.

[Jet Jockey]

Guaranteed they find one.
Retired Airline dude who makes 80-100k a year retirement salary from the airline plus 130gs from this outfit. An old fart who can’t stay away from flying yet taking a job opportunity from a younger individual.

That old fart will show up on their first day, squeeze themselves into the left seat of that cavernous Challenger cockpit and wonder why nothing is happening.

You didn’t file the flight plans, arrange handling, do performance, order the catering, book the hotels, book the transportation, and do the other thousand jobs that you signed up for when you took your 130k corporate job, captain!

We get it, corporate pilots are gods gift to aviation. Us airline folk are simply incapable of learning how to use the Marriott app, or going through the 10 steps required to file a flight plan using one of the many flight planning software’s available. That’s without even getting into having to tell the CSR at the FBO we need sandwiches for x number of pax and god forbid we have to send them a one sentence email requesting ground transportation. Us dumb airline folks would never be capable of learning such difficult work.

I mean management companies hire and train entry level flight coordinators with zero aviation experience and train them to do all those things in a day but we can pretend that doesn’t exist and corporate flying is the most difficult and demanding side of aviation.

LOL... He does have a point.

I have seen it (many times) in the corporate side of the industry a retired airline pilot coming into a corporate gig and having a hard time adapting to the "many other aspects" of the corporate world. Also some of them do accept lower wages to "continue their flying" because they are heavily supplemented by their retirement fund... Best for you retired airline dudes to stay out of our world because you do not help when we fight for better wages... I would never hire a retired airline pilot but give a change to a young decent pilot that's already in the corporate world.

[rookiepilot]

Guaranteed they find one.
Retired Airline dude who makes 80-100k a year retirement salary from the airline plus 130gs from this outfit. An old fart who can’t stay away from flying yet taking a job opportunity from a younger individual.

How else would they afford to build a bigger dock in Muskoka than their neighbors?

[YC87DRVR]

That old fart will show up on their first day, squeeze themselves into the left seat of that cavernous Challenger cockpit and wonder why nothing is happening.

You didn’t file the flight plans, arrange handling, do performance, order the catering, book the hotels, book the transportation, and do the other thousand jobs that you signed up for when you took your 130k corporate job, captain!

We get it, corporate pilots are gods gift to aviation. Us airline folk are simply incapable of learning how to use the Marriott app, or going through the 10 steps required to file a flight plan using one of the many flight planning software’s available. That’s without even getting into having to tell the CSR at the FBO we need sandwiches for x number of pax and god forbid we have to send them a one sentence email requesting ground transportation. Us dumb airline folks would never be capable of learning such difficult work.

I mean management companies hire and train entry level flight coordinators with zero aviation experience and train them to do all those things in a day but we can pretend that doesn’t exist and corporate flying is the most difficult and demanding side of aviation.

LOL... He does have a point.

I have seen it (many times) in the corporate side of the industry a retired airline pilot coming into a corporate gig and having a hard time adapting to the "many other aspects" of the corporate world. Also some of them do accept lower wages to "continue their flying" because they are heavily supplemented by their retirement fund... Best for you retired airline dudes to stay out of our world because you do not help when we fight for better wages... I would never hire a retired airline pilot but give a change to a young decent pilot that's already in the corporate world.

Yeah I agree that not all retired airline pilots would work out in corporate flying. But let’s be honest it would be because their lack of willingness to do those extra tasks or putting up with the uncertainty, instability and required flexibility.

Saying they couldn’t make it because of all the “difficult” extra tasks required is far from the truth. None of those extra tasks are difficult at all, hence the ability to train someone to do them in a day.

[CL-Skadoo!]

We get it, corporate pilots are gods gift to aviation. Us airline folk are simply incapable of learning how to use the Marriott app, or going through the 10 steps required to file a flight plan using one of the many flight planning software’s available. That’s without even getting into having to tell the CSR at the FBO we need sandwiches for x number of pax and god forbid we have to send them a one sentence email requesting ground transportation. Us dumb airline folks would never be capable of learning such difficult work.

I mean management companies hire and train entry level flight coordinators with zero aviation experience and train them to do all those things in a day but we can pretend that doesn’t exist and corporate flying is the most difficult and demanding side of aviation.

LOL... He does have a point.

I have seen it (many times) in the corporate side of the industry a retired airline pilot coming into a corporate gig and having a hard time adapting to the "many other aspects" of the corporate world. Also some of them do accept lower wages to "continue their flying" because they are heavily supplemented by their retirement fund... Best for you retired airline dudes to stay out of our world because you do not help when we fight for better wages... I would never hire a retired airline pilot but give a change to a young decent pilot that's already in the corporate world.

Yeah I agree that not all retired airline pilots would work out in corporate flying. But let’s be honest it would be because their lack of willingness to do those extra tasks or putting up with the uncertainty, instability and required flexibility.

Saying they couldn’t make it because of all the “difficult” extra tasks required is far from the truth. None of those extra tasks are difficult at all, hence the ability to train someone to do them in a day.

Never did I say they were difficult tasks, that was a convenient way for your ego to find a battle which does not exist. There’s just an abundance of tasks for someone to do for 130k per year and especially in their retirement.

[JHR]

Meanwhile down south....

https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/ ... 235367119/

[Skybomer]

What this company did and that is a fact, they hired a guy who is retired from a main Canadian airline, with a $80-$100,000$ pension so they don’t have to pay 190 to $200,000 for a qualified pilot.

[Skybomer]

What this company did and that is a fact, they hired a guy who is retired from a main Canadian airline, with a $80-$100,000$ pension so they don’t have to pay 190 to $200,000 for a qualified corporate pilot.

[JHR]

I have been hearing that scenario quite a bit lately. I have actually heard of some retired AC pilots flying for free! These guys screwed AC salaries and in fact pilot salaries across Canada over the last three decades and now they do this? Unbelievable

[Liftdump]

Someone,be it the owner,chief pilot,or ops mgr hires,this is where the problem begins,the retired guy just says,COOL I get to fly this little jet for some beer money.

[Liftdump]

Sorry for posting again,I suspect if this is how they hire,you probably do not want to work there,in all likelihood.

[Checkspeed]

Such a shame to see, I had heard rumours that this was one of the better YYC gigs. Apparently not.

[hawker driver]

Just got some information on pay increases in the US.

It seems Flexjet is increasing their starting pay for new hires The base pay as a new co pilot on the Phenom, Legacy or Challenger will start at $135,00 US for 15 days per month schedule. When you add in all the soft money it will be over $155,000 US in your first year.
Captain upgrades are at 18 months then pay jumps to $185,000 US
They are hiring 400 per year and still losing pilots to the airlines.

Now the interesting statement by the VP of flight operations.

They are going to start looking outside the USA for pilots and will be looking at foreign pilots to help fill the slots.
I don’t have anymore information but I will be asking around and post what I find out.

[Canadaflyer46]

$185k a year USD is $248k Canadian. That would be a 45 year payscale at Air Sprint.

[hawker driver]

$185k a year USD is $248k Canadian. That would be a 45 year payscale at Air Sprint.

That is only year ones Captan
Senior captains on the Legacy and Challenger are over $300K US and if you want to go to the Gulfstreams you are well over $350K