Australia hiring foreign pilots

[Stinky]

Hello,

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/ ... s-shortage


Probably looking for expirence pilots with only 2 year visa. Interesting though, I wonder if the US will do somethibg different, like raising wage.

Will this affect Canadian pilots?

Thoughts, comment, confession?

Happy new year!

Luckily in the US the pilot population and unions are strong enough that foreign pilots won't be happening, after all it's hard to try to sell that with the strongest pilot population on earth.


As far as how places the Australia get away with hiring cheap foreign labor vs raising to proper wages, well here's a video, it's not Australia, but governments all work the same. Just a matter of the airlines paying off the right government workers, and the government workers thinking they can get away with it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sNA0-GBuunc

At my ULCC in the US half the new hires are foreigners. I had two in my jumpseat this week on observation flights. The company is sponsoring the visa for them and their family and after one year the company sponsors their green card. Only for Australia, Chile and Singapore. Really makes you wonder why pilot can’t be added to the TN (NAFTA) list. Maybe Air Canada lobbyists.
An Australian pilot was telling me that there’s been a noticeable increase in wages in Australia and they expect to lose 2000 pilots to the US.

[AJH]

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[rigpiggy]

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

[rigpiggy]

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

[Hysteria]

Hello,

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/ ... s-shortage


Probably looking for expirence pilots with only 2 year visa. Interesting though, I wonder if the US will do somethibg different, like raising wage.

Will this affect Canadian pilots?

Thoughts, comment, confession?

Happy new year!

Luckily in the US the pilot population and unions are strong enough that foreign pilots won't be happening, after all it's hard to try to sell that with the strongest pilot population on earth.


As far as how places the Australia get away with hiring cheap foreign labor vs raising to proper wages, well here's a video, it's not Australia, but governments all work the same. Just a matter of the airlines paying off the right government workers, and the government workers thinking they can get away with it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sNA0-GBuunc

At my ULCC in the US half the new hires are foreigners. I had two in my jumpseat this week on observation flights. The company is sponsoring the visa for them and their family and after one year the company sponsors their green card. Only for Australia, Chile and Singapore. Really makes you wonder why pilot can’t be added to the TN (NAFTA) list. Maybe Air Canada lobbyists.
An Australian pilot was telling me that there’s been a noticeable increase in wages in Australia and they expect to lose 2000 pilots to the US.

Love to see it. Let's get Canada in the mix..

[RB211]

Love to see it. Let's get Canada in the mix..

Aussies get to the US because their free trade agreement includes pilots as a profession for Visas. Unlike Canada.

I wouldn’t expect any such agreement between US & Canada materializing anytime soon.

[Hysteria]

Love to see it. Let's get Canada in the mix..

Aussies get to the US because their free trade agreement includes pilots as a profession for Visas. Unlike Canada.

I wouldn’t expect any such agreement between US & Canada materializing anytime soon.

I understand. I just hope something changes for Canadians in the future

[mmm...bacon]

Just a matter of the airlines paying off the right government workers, and the government workers thinking they can get away with it.

At my ULCC in the US half the new hires are foreigners. I had two in my jumpseat this week on observation flights. The company is sponsoring the visa for them and their family and after one year the company sponsors their green card. Only for Australia, Chile and Singapore. Really makes you wonder why pilot can’t be added to the TN (NAFTA) list. Maybe Air Canada lobbyists.
An Australian pilot was telling me that there’s been a noticeable increase in wages in Australia and they expect to lose 2000 pilots to the US.
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Canadian airline lobbyists, and US Union lobbyists, I’m sure. Can’t have those Canadians competing continentallymight drive up/down wages, and we can’t have that!

[Smilin' Jack]

Whats the starting pay?
I assume they are hiring DECs?

A First year Bonza FIRST OFFICER makes what a 3rd year Flair CAPTAIN makes.

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

No where near. if you have an ATPL, you have to write two exams. 1 Airlaw. 2 IFR. Neither of these are terribly difficult at all. Especially if you are already working in the industry.
You also have to do a ride. No one seems to want to rent simulators to individuals so the only practical way to do this is go and rent a DA40 or something. If that's going to make or break your conversion process then immigrating anywhere isn't for you.

Yes, it's about $9k for a family application. Yes, it's a lot of money. Yes, you'll make it up in a mere matter of months with a higher salary. Yes, it's less than half the cost of US immigration. Yes, it's also a lot more likely to happen than US immigration.

Oh, no more deicing. Ever.

[JHR]

Interesting how things have changed there. I remember some time ago reading how poorly paid Aussie pilots were. I guess when they started leaving for other countries, particularly the US, pay had to go up. Wonder if we will ever have the big Canadian pay raise

[Smilin' Jack]

People here are way less likely to go abroad. Free healthcare and all. atxes pay for something afterall. Lots of grumbling, little action.

[Michel Myers]

Whats the starting pay?
I assume they are hiring DECs?

A First year Bonza FIRST OFFICER makes what a 3rd year Flair CAPTAIN makes.

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

No where near. if you have an ATPL, you have to write two exams. 1 Airlaw. 2 IFR. Neither of these are terribly difficult at all. Especially if you are already working in the industry.
You also have to do a ride. No one seems to want to rent simulators to individuals so the only practical way to do this is go and rent a DA40 or something. If that's going to make or break your conversion process then immigrating anywhere isn't for you.

Yes, it's about $9k for a family application. Yes, it's a lot of money. Yes, you'll make it up in a mere matter of months with a higher salary. Yes, it's less than half the cost of US immigration. Yes, it's also a lot more likely to happen than US immigration.

Oh, no more deicing. Ever.

Again you are incorrect or just lying. About the Bonza thing

[CaptDukeNukem]

Whats the starting pay?
I assume they are hiring DECs?

A First year Bonza FIRST OFFICER makes what a 3rd year Flair CAPTAIN makes.

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

No where near. if you have an ATPL, you have to write two exams. 1 Airlaw. 2 IFR. Neither of these are terribly difficult at all. Especially if you are already working in the industry.
You also have to do a ride. No one seems to want to rent simulators to individuals so the only practical way to do this is go and rent a DA40 or something. If that's going to make or break your conversion process then immigrating anywhere isn't for you.

Yes, it's about $9k for a family application. Yes, it's a lot of money. Yes, you'll make it up in a mere matter of months with a higher salary. Yes, it's less than half the cost of US immigration. Yes, it's also a lot more likely to happen than US immigration.

Oh, no more deicing. Ever.

But deicing is where I make all my block growth lol

[canadian_aviator_4]

Whats the starting pay?
I assume they are hiring DECs?

A First year Bonza FIRST OFFICER makes what a 3rd year Flair CAPTAIN makes.

Have fun with the Aussie conversion. About as much fun as the easa

No where near. if you have an ATPL, you have to write two exams. 1 Airlaw. 2 IFR. Neither of these are terribly difficult at all. Especially if you are already working in the industry.
You also have to do a ride. No one seems to want to rent simulators to individuals so the only practical way to do this is go and rent a DA40 or something. If that's going to make or break your conversion process then immigrating anywhere isn't for you.

Yes, it's about $9k for a family application. Yes, it's a lot of money. Yes, you'll make it up in a mere matter of months with a higher salary. Yes, it's less than half the cost of US immigration. Yes, it's also a lot more likely to happen than US immigration.

Oh, no more deicing. Ever.

How much is bonza paying?

[Smilin' Jack]

The Flair crews are currently doing familiarization flights with Bonza now. Do you think that pay scales have not come up? I just talked to one of our trainers and he said that the FO on his flight was making what he was. I trust the Flair guy (3rd year training captain). He doesn't do overtime though. Maybe the Bonza guy does. The Bonza FO is in the ballpark of what a 2nd/3rd year Flair captain makes.

Quick google search says that the range for an FO there is somewhere between $113-144k. First year captains were only making $114k CAD last year. This year, under the new contract it's $150k. What's the difference between $145 and $150 - $200/ pay cheque. That's it.

Again, who cares the exact number. We shouldn't be comparing FO's to Captains anyway. It shouldn't be anywhere near the same salary. See the Southwest pay thread. The difference between an FO under probation and a 3rd year captain is only $2/hour.

[Aotearoa]

Interesting how things have changed there. I remember some time ago reading how poorly paid Aussie pilots were. I guess when they started leaving for other countries, particularly the US, pay had to go up. Wonder if we will ever have the big Canadian pay raise

I worked in oz ten years back. Then a year one 737 FO got paid more then twice what a Canadian year one FO gets, 1.5 x the 'leader' of the Canadian aviation wolf pack. It's always been better thanks to AFAP

[JHR]

Interesting to hear. Makes us even more pathetic then

[Smilin' Jack]

Got some more details. Bonza FO's are making in the high $130's ($137k with no OT). They currently don't have pay progression but they are home every night and have quick upgrades

Currently, the lowest paid Captains in North America are starting at $144k. But the union says the 85 hour MMG is the best because you'll be able to go to the bank and take out a bigger loan.

Close enough to be rather ashamed of what we vote in for contracts in Canada.