Liley: Trudeau showing favouritism to Quebec for new aircraft.

[‘Bob’]

Oh whoops, that was the headline if they didn’t decide to get the P-8. Disregard.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/li ... reappshare

[JustaCanadian]

Looks like they made the right choice this time around, and didn't waste time and money to arrive at it. Pat on the back JT.

[Stratopaused]

Boeing owns a factory in Winnipeg that employs 1500 people. I'm sure at least a few Canadian workers will see the benefits of this purchase through the supply chain.

[boeingboy]

KF is banking on getting a long term contract for support of the P-8. God forbid the west ever gets anything out of Government contracts. All the wining coming out of Qubec about "Canadians" not getting anything out of it.

[mantogasrsrwy]

Looks like they made the right choice this time around, and didn't waste time and money to arrive at it. Pat on the back JT.

I see what you did there. Fortunately you won't be patting him on the back much longer.

[Roundel Randy]

Boeing owns a factory in Winnipeg that employs 1500 people. I'm sure at least a few Canadian workers will see the benefits of this purchase through the supply chain.

What is ironic is that one of the Conservative MPs pushing for an open competition so Bombardier could compete with their digital rendered image is in a riding just north of Winnipeg. Sometimes I don't understand why being in opposition means you have to oppose everything the government does, instead of just supporting them when they actually make a sensible decision.

[Meatservo]

Sometimes I don't understand why being in opposition means you have to oppose everything the government does, instead of just supporting them when they actually make a sensible decision.

That's basically the problem with politics, in a nutshell.

[Gino Under]

The P8 is all about NATO compatibility. It has nothing to do with a common sense political decision. Nor does it have anything to do with any east vs west BS.
The Global express is by far a superior product to the clapped out, end of the line B737, never ending safety “issues” aeroplane. In fact, the CSeries (A220) would have been the best replacement for the P3.

[BMLtech]

The P8 is all about NATO compatibility. It has nothing to do with a common sense political decision. Nor does it have anything to do with any east vs west BS.
The Global express is by far a superior product to the clapped out, end of the line B737, never ending safety “issues” aeroplane. In fact, the CSeries (A220) would have been the best replacement for the P3.

Maybe so but there's just no way RCAF procurement could stick handle any new aircraft program. Just look at the fiasco of the Kingfisher, Cyclone, etc, and these were already proven airframes in their respective roles.

[oldncold]

As is well known the caf has a recruitment problem. New equipment without trained personel sits on the tarmac. Period .

That said , moms n dads wont encourage their children to look at the caf as a career, if their offspring are to become cannon fodder in a modern war. With 40 yr old equipment and museam peices as front line equipment .

I support any efforts to fast track getting the latest equipment QUICKLY to those whom are charged with protecting us . It also will help in recruitment.

[Gino Under]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics ... r-AA1mK5vD

The fly-by-wire 6500 Global Express. Excellent choice by the U.S Army for a spy plane.

The electronics in the Aurora are ancient. Those old P3 electronics would never fit in a GX but the latest electronics would take up about as much room as an average home’s bathroom. Not to mention the reduction in crew that goes along with it.
I think the military and government procuring offices got their P8 choice wrong.

The P8 is not a good choice for Canada.

Gino Under

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...Bombardier Inc. has won a new deal to sell the U.S. Army up to three of its Global Express 6500 business jets so they can be transformed into an American spy plane prototype...Under the contract won by Bombardier Defense, the jet maker has one firm aircraft sale to be delivered by Oct. 1, 2024. The deal gives the U.S. Army options to buy two more of the business jets by 2027, the military said in a terse announcement.

First of all, it's a prototype for evaluation, and they're only buying one, so that's not exactly a full development program. Second, there's a big difference in role between a "spy plane" and a maritime patrol/anti-submarine aircraft; for example, the latter has to be able to carry and deploy torpedoes. How many torpedoes can a Global Express carry? If Canada were to purchase Bombardier aircraft, the entire design and development would fall on the CAF, which would inevitably result in delays and cost overruns, followed by moaning from armchair analysts. Instead, there's an off-the-shelf product with a proven track record that's good enough for eight other countries to use. I mean, can it really be "clapped out, end of the line" and "not a good choice for Canada" when it's good enough for Australia, Germany, India, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, the UK, and the US?

[pelmet]

I suspect other element enter into the picture. Canada cuts back on defence while everyone else is increasing spending on defence. Of course, we gave that money that could have been used for defence to "other places".

Now the US is pissed off. It probably helps a bit to at least spend some of what we do spend on defence on American jobs.

[brightercleaning]

KF is banking on getting a long term contract for support of the P-8. God forbid the west ever gets anything out of Government contracts. All the wining coming out of Qubec about "Canadians" not getting anything out of it.
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[Gino Under]

As a personal opinion,
The Global Eye modification by Saab is already being used as an AWACS platform. (Not a computer generated picture) The Global could also be configured as a Maritime Patrol aircraft for the RCAF.
The Global can carry a Maritime ordinance and electronic payload as easily as any P3. Compare the size of the 2 aircraft.
As I stated earlier, the CSeries/A220, would have been a better choice than the P8. But our poor military, having to rely on the cone heads in Ottawa, wouldn’t be able to afford a fleet of A220s. Never mind the cost of any Global mods. So, it’s a non starter.
The P8 may be the aircraft choice for a number of our military partners but that doesn’t mean it was their best choice either.

Gino Under

[Posthumane]

What, in your personal opinion, makes the A220 or the Global a superior maritime patrol aircraft over the P8?

They may have the physical footprint to carry ordinance, but as far as I know neither of the airframes have ever been fitted for them. This would require significant modifications to the airframes, with the associated engineering and testing. Why do you think that taking this on for an orphan fleet would be beneficial to the RCAF over a proven airframe?

NATO compatibility is a major factor when choosing equipment. In fact, I would say it is one of the most important factors. Canada does not deploy alone.

[boeingboy]

KF is banking on getting a long term contract for support of the P-8. God forbid the west ever gets anything out of Government contracts. All the wining coming out of Qubec about "Canadians" not getting anything out of it.
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Wow....could you steal anymore of anyone elses quotes?

[boeingboy]

As a personal opinion,
The Global Eye modification by Saab is already being used as an AWACS platform. (Not a computer generated picture) The Global could also be configured as a Maritime Patrol aircraft for the RCAF.
The Global can carry a Maritime ordinance and electronic payload as easily as any P3. Compare the size of the 2 aircraft.
As I stated earlier, the CSeries/A220, would have been a better choice than the P8. But our poor military, having to rely on the cone heads in Ottawa, wouldn’t be able to afford a fleet of A220s. Never mind the cost of any Global mods. So, it’s a non starter.
The P8 may be the aircraft choice for a number of our military partners but that doesn’t mean it was their best choice either.

Gino Under

The 220 would be the worst choice.

It's never been modified so that alone would be a years long undertaking with years more tech problems, weapons integration testing and so on. Not to mention the thing is always broken. Air Canadas machines sit more than they fly

[CaptDukeNukem]

As a personal opinion,
The Global Eye modification by Saab is already being used as an AWACS platform. (Not a computer generated picture) The Global could also be configured as a Maritime Patrol aircraft for the RCAF.
The Global can carry a Maritime ordinance and electronic payload as easily as any P3. Compare the size of the 2 aircraft.
As I stated earlier, the CSeries/A220, would have been a better choice than the P8. But our poor military, having to rely on the cone heads in Ottawa, wouldn’t be able to afford a fleet of A220s. Never mind the cost of any Global mods. So, it’s a non starter.
The P8 may be the aircraft choice for a number of our military partners but that doesn’t mean it was their best choice either.

Gino Under

The 220 would be the worst choice.

It's never been modified so that alone would be a years long undertaking with years more tech problems, weapons integration testing and so on. Not to mention the thing is always broken. Air Canadas machines sit more than they fly

I hear the engines make whale sounds. Could be good for maritime espionage/surveillance. Blends in with the marine life.

[oldncold]

In a nut shell

9.3 million sq km biggest natural wealth on the planet
2 biggest land mass
Usa 34 trillion in debt it will sell out canada to save its own national sovereignty wont save canada

Wtfu.

[dontcallmeshirley]

The A220 is about as Canadian as the 737NG is new.