New hire bids

[rudder]

Confirmed, bid will be published in 4 days and it reflects reduced block hours from the 2023 planned block hours.
No reductions.

So basically you just take a snapshot of the January 15 Position List and call that the bid?

Sounds about right. There is zero chance that Jazz can achieve a net increase in the pilot population in 2024 if 2023 is used as the example.

[haxhis]

Hey fellas,

Im about out of my depth here but Im talking to Jazz about coming on as a First officer. Iv been doing my research and things look grim by looks of it on here lol. Couple questions though if you got a sec.

1. Jazz or Flair? Im a bit short of time on Flair but Im not sure how much time makes me competitive over there either.
2. If you were going to Jazz and want to fly jet, e175 or CRJ.
3. Im thinking YVR base even tho I have a house 10 min away from YYZ because of my girlfriend but is there alot of flying out of YVR for jets?
4. Girlfriend lives in Seattle so Im curious if commuting is the same as the states for pilots or do you have to pay to get on? Also, what about having her travel to me? How does friends and family travel perks work with Jazz?

Any other tips or info you could give me would be great. Im sorry if its been asked and if this is the wrong thread for it could you please point me in the right direction as this is literally my first post and first time using the site.

Thank you so much.

[North Shore]

1.) Apply to both, and take whichever one will have you first.
2.) [Assuming she’s American] Slap the biggest ring you can find on that gal ASAP, and start the clock running on the path to a greencard/citizenship.

[haxhis]

HAHA thanks, but shes not american. I however do have the opportunity to get my green card but I want to get some jet time first with less hours than are required down here in the states where Im at right now.

I had one more question. Im working on a degree at the moment and Im currious how commuting works. My understanding is that if hired on, I would also be able to commute? How much does this cost and what are the limitations? I understand there are fees that get quite expensive from what Im reading online (north of 100 Cad) but could I for example drive down to KBUF, hop on a United flight and just get to my class?

I dont really understand the travel benefits to be frank. Any insights?

[Me262]

Jazz does not guarantee you jet. It's a lottery

[Hysteria]

Hey fellas,

Im about out of my depth here but Im talking to Jazz about coming on as a First officer. Iv been doing my research and things look grim by looks of it on here lol. Couple questions though if you got a sec.

1. Jazz or Flair? Im a bit short of time on Flair but Im not sure how much time makes me competitive over there either.
2. If you were going to Jazz and want to fly jet, e175 or CRJ.
3. Im thinking YVR base even tho I have a house 10 min away from YYZ because of my girlfriend but is there alot of flying out of YVR for jets?
4. Girlfriend lives in Seattle so Im curious if commuting is the same as the states for pilots or do you have to pay to get on? Also, what about having her travel to me? How does friends and family travel perks work with Jazz?

Any other tips or info you could give me would be great. Im sorry if its been asked and if this is the wrong thread for it could you please point me in the right direction as this is literally my first post and first time using the site.

Thank you so much.

2. E for equipment. That said, E is only based out east. CRJ for more destinations and variety.

[truedude]

Hey fellas,

Im about out of my depth here but Im talking to Jazz about coming on as a First officer. Iv been doing my research and things look grim by looks of it on here lol. Couple questions though if you got a sec.

1. Jazz or Flair? Im a bit short of time on Flair but Im not sure how much time makes me competitive over there either.
2. If you were going to Jazz and want to fly jet, e175 or CRJ.
3. Im thinking YVR base even tho I have a house 10 min away from YYZ because of my girlfriend but is there alot of flying out of YVR for jets?
4. Girlfriend lives in Seattle so Im curious if commuting is the same as the states for pilots or do you have to pay to get on? Also, what about having her travel to me? How does friends and family travel perks work with Jazz?

Any other tips or info you could give me would be great. Im sorry if its been asked and if this is the wrong thread for it could you please point me in the right direction as this is literally my first post and first time using the site.

Thank you so much.

2. E for equipment. That said, E is only based out east. CRJ for more destinations and variety.

F/A's have been told there will be 40 additional spots out west starting in April. I don't see what they will be doing given the amount currently sitting on reserve doing nothing. And I don't see how we would have flying for them, given we don't have pilots to do anything more than we already are...

[canadian_aviator_4]

How many flights per day does Jazz having departing Yyc?

[fixnfly]

How many flights per day does Jazz having departing Yyc?

I think as of now, it’s only 8 scheduled flights a day on the Q. All the RJ Flying starts with deadheads to Vancouver or Toronto. Crazy to think that YYC used to be one of the largest/fastest growing bases, and had close to 40 flights a day at one point. I hope the YYC base recovers in the future, tons of great people there that wanted to hang their hat at Jazz.

[rudder]

How many flights per day does Jazz having departing Yyc?

I think as of now, it’s only 8 scheduled flights a day on the Q. All the RJ Flying starts with deadheads to Vancouver or Toronto. Crazy to think that YYC used to be one of the largest/fastest growing bases, and had close to 40 flights a day at one point. I hope the YYC base recovers in the future, tons of great people there that wanted to hang their hat at Jazz.

Jazz does what AC tells it to do. And in the case of 2023, even those planned flying levels were not attained.

AC has taken the (temporary?) position to de-hub YYC. And while that hasn’t yet triggered forced reductions, there is an attrition plan in place for the YYC base. It will be interesting to see what the snapshotted crew level for YYC will be in Bid 2024-01.

In a world without consequence, it is likely the YYC CRJ base would close and the sole CRJ base in the west would be YVR. And the YYC Q400 base would likely shrink. But that hasn’t happened and won’t happen in Bid 2024-01 according to the CRC Bulletin.

If the ownership situation at Jazz ever changes - particularly if it were to revert to AC - you could probably kiss the YYC base goodbye. Perhaps there is a current fear of mass resignation if there were a base closure. It makes for a convenient and speculative argument. But the YYC based opportunities will eventually taper off.

All pilots should plan accordingly when making employment choices.

[hithere]

Rudder,
Just curious why you think that if AC were to buy Jazz back from Chorus, that they would close the YYC base? I get that under CHR ownership, Jazz management fears that closing the YYC base would result in tenured pilots walking next door to WestJet. Why would AC not care about that if they bought Jazz?

[rudder]

Rudder,
Just curious why you think that if AC were to buy Jazz back from Chorus, that they would close the YYC base? I get that under CHR ownership, Jazz management fears that closing the YYC base would result in tenured pilots walking next door to WestJet. Why would AC not care about that if they bought Jazz?

There are arguments and personal/historical relationships that work with Jazz that would get less traction with new ownership. AC is not going to support blocking seats for DH to operate indefinitely.

Ultimately, it will be a discourse about the future. And it is AC that determines the future of commercial operations, not Jazz/CHR.

[truedude]

Rudder,
Just curious why you think that if AC were to buy Jazz back from Chorus, that they would close the YYC base? I get that under CHR ownership, Jazz management fears that closing the YYC base would result in tenured pilots walking next door to WestJet. Why would AC not care about that if they bought Jazz?

There are arguments and personal/historical relationships that work with Jazz that would get less traction with new ownership. AC is not going to support blocking seats for DH to operate indefinitely.

Ultimately, it will be a discourse about the future. And it is AC that determines the future of commercial operations, not Jazz/CHR.

Right now Jazz DHs a bunch of FAs from YYZ every month to YVR, despite half of YVR sitting in reserve. So it doesn't seem anyone cares too much about blocking DH seats, or they wouldn't be sending YYZ FAs from yyz to do YVR Q flying.

[Scoob]

Was it all YYC and YVR spots again for today's GS?

Nope...

8 CRJ YVR
3 E175 YYZ
3 E175 YUL
5 Q400 YVR
1 Q400 YYC

[canadian_aviator_4]

Was it all YYC and YVR spots again for today's GS?

Nope...

8 CRJ YVR
3 E175 YYZ
3 E175 YUL
5 Q400 YVR
1 Q400 YYC

Looks like porter will be receiving 6 pilots in the near future

[Me262]

Was it all YYC and YVR spots again for today's GS?

Nope...

8 CRJ YVR
3 E175 YYZ
3 E175 YUL
5 Q400 YVR
1 Q400 YYC

Looks like porter will be receiving 6 pilots in the near future

Why can't we say the same about Qs?

[GodlvlPilot]

For the most part. Only guys leaving the Qs for porter Qs are direct entry. Been several Q fos make the jump for the e2 though.

[Westerncanuck]

Was it all YYC and YVR spots again for today's GS?

Nope...

8 CRJ YVR
3 E175 YYZ
3 E175 YUL
5 Q400 YVR
1 Q400 YYC

Looks like porter will be receiving 6 pilots in the near future

AC should prioritize every single application from Porter. That wouldn’t be so funny…

[truedude]

Nope...

8 CRJ YVR
3 E175 YYZ
3 E175 YUL
5 Q400 YVR
1 Q400 YYC

Looks like porter will be receiving 6 pilots in the near future

AC should prioritize every single application from Porter. That wouldn’t be so funny…

Very few people leave Porter to go to AC. And why would they?

[rudder]

Confirmed, bid will be published in 4 days and it reflects reduced block hours from the 2023 planned block hours.
No reductions.

“ The Pilot Position Bid will be posted on January 15,, 2024.”

5:45pm in YHZ. Maybe the last person out the door for the day on Goudy Drive will hit ‘send’ on the equipment bid…….

[Me262]

Confirmed, bid will be published in 4 days and it reflects reduced block hours from the 2023 planned block hours.
No reductions.

“ The Pilot Position Bid will be posted on January 15,, 2024.”

5:45pm in YHZ. Maybe the last person out the door for the day on Goudy Drive will hit ‘send’ on the equipment bid…….

Didn't scoob just posted it?

8 CRJ, 6 Es, 6 Qs

[rudder]

945 active Jazz pilots (pretty close to the 1000+/-50 estimate).

215 vacancies including known attrition (AC flow, 20 ERP retirements, and normal retirement).

Does NOT include unknown attrition (everywhere else but AC). 100-150 Jazz pilots left for non-AC flying positions in 2023.

With planned hiring of 20 pilots every 3 weeks, Jazz will be hard pressed to still have 945 active pilots by year-end 2024.

Last bid prior to GGN/SKV consolidation was 1179 positions. Bid 2023-01 was 1326 positions.

[hithere]

How many pilots per aircraft does Jazz generally carry? What kind of fleet does this represent?

[Big Pistons Forever]

I wonder what the experience level of this class of new hires is ?

[rudder]

How many pilots per aircraft does Jazz generally carry? What kind of fleet does this represent?

The Jazz/Express fleet is listed in the AC quarterly MD&A Report.

A ‘fully utilized’ regional airframe would normally be staffed at a ratio of approximately 12 pilots factoring in CAR’s FTDT implications and the Pilot CBA.

Jazz operated airframes are likely not being operated anywhere near ‘fully utilized’ levels. For example, SKV had approximately 280 pilots for a fleet of 25 E175 (including inactive pilots). Jazz has far less than 200 active pilots for the same fleet of 25 E175.