Adverse Reactions Poll

[kgb531]

You are incorrectly assuming anyone in this thread qualified to question, let alone understand, the subject matter. Given the industry, excluding GAs, the last biolchem type science education came in high school.
Immunology/epidemiology/virology and pharmacology are not armchair topics that can be understood with a little intraweb reading, youtube videos (or worse rumble/bitchute) and "muh critical thinkin".
The intelligent, realize that.
I'm a lifelong conservative living in Calgary. My degrees are not healthcare related. I'm married to a physician. I was raised by educated parents both involved in science/medicine. All Conservatives. The only other place I hear anything like JerryRig et al is in rural enclaves of religious zealots and repair facilities. But also in PPCer forums. You know, the only political party that was anti-mandates, etc. during the last federal election. I believe they got 3% of eligible Canadian voters to come out and vote for them.
This thread is an extension of that 3%.

So now after having read through this thread its pretty clear that there are two types of mindsets at play here.

one is promoting complete belief and compliance and directing others to do as they have, or theyre attacked in different ways for questioning narratives and acting independently.

the other mindset has and is raising questions about what has happened because they are not convinced of what was said by officials and wouldve preferred tobhave been left alone both then and now.

One side wants to tell you how to live, the other side wants to be left alone. one side, regardless of the reality, thinks they're intellectually superior while thinking anybody who does not emulate them are dumb and guilty of all sorts of social injustices


take a guess who the liberals and the conservatives are here


A final thought, I know many people who chose either way with the shots with the majority having taking them. The one commonality I've observed is that the majority vaxxed regret taking them and say they will not take more. Most only did it as their jobs were threatened(but nobody was coerced, lol) and all hav had covid at least once since along with heavy bouts of flu's and colds since the shots.

I have yet to talk to a shotless individual who regrets their decision. Many of them did lose their jobs, regardless of the propaganda, but not one I spoke with wishes they could do it differently.

Judging by the reported vaxx uptake stats for this winter the overwhelming majority have turned a deaf ear to official vaxx instructions. Flu and covid shots are way down.

Are smart people now dumb?

[Sulako]

Sulako, mRNA is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It is a gene therapy. Never been used on humans until now and the animal tests turned out, let’s just say unfavorable.

I have no problem with vaccines so I’d appreciate you stop calling me antivax. I am against manipulating your genome, so that you can call me anti-transhumanism. I’m proud of that.

Hmm, it sounds like you might be unaware that mRNA never enters our cell nucleus where our DNA is stored. It can't.

Let me be absolutely unequivocal: mRNA does NOT ever, ever, ever enter our cell nuclei. It can't. A quick google or a long Google or a discussion with a biologist will confirm this as motherhood truth.

Also, surely you know that there are several Covid vaccines that DON'T use mRNA tech, they use the old tech. Any issue with those?

[Inverted2]

Sulako, mRNA is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It is a gene therapy. Never been used on humans until now and the animal tests turned out, let’s just say unfavorable.

I have no problem with vaccines so I’d appreciate you stop calling me antivax. I am against manipulating your genome, so that you can call me anti-transhumanism. I’m proud of that.

Hmm, it sounds like you might be unaware that mRNA never enters our cell nucleus where our DNA is stored. It can't.

Let me be absolutely unequivocal: mRNA does NOT ever, ever, ever enter our cell nuclei. It can't. A quick google or a long Google or a discussion with a biologist will confirm this as motherhood truth.

Also, surely you know that there are several Covid vaccines that DON'T use mRNA tech, they use the old tech. Any issue with those?

Funny you mention that I tried to get a non MRNA jab when we were forced back in ‘21 and no one had them. I think the J&J one got pulled.

[Sulako]

Funny you mention that I tried to get a non MRNA jab when we were forced back in ‘21 and no one had them. I think the J&J one got pulled.

By the way, mRNA has been around for years, it was used in the Ebola vaccine back in the day to great effect.

non-mRNA vaccines take longer to develop, which is one of the reasons that mRNA is so useful - there doesn't have to be a life-threateningly-long lag between identifying a specific cancer in a person and developing a vaccine for that specific cancer to help boost a person's immune system for example. mRNA tech itself is amazing! I'm just saddened that people made it political.

It's interesting how many anti-vaxxers view this through the lens of the USA and/or Canada being basically the only countries in the world.

The Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is a vector vaccine.
AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford also have a vector COVID-19 vaccine.

Sputnik 5 and Sputnik light (Russia) are also vectors, as are Convidecia (Chile, Mexico, Pakistan, Russia) and iNCOVACC (India, USA).

For inactivated virus vaccines, there are Sinopharm BIBP (China), CoronaVac (Brazil, Chile, Indonesia, The Phillipines), Covaxin (France), Valneva (India), Sinopharm WIBP (China, Argentina) and others available.

The Novavax COVID-19 vaccine is a protein subunit vaccine, using similar tech to the old-school vector vaccines but with smaller protein snippets. Other Covid vaccines use this tech, like Sanofi–GSK (western Europe), Abdala (Cuba), EpiVacCorona, Zifivax (China), Soberana 02 (Iran) and others.

Anyways, now that we have established conclusively that there are other forms of Covid vaccines that don't use the new mRNA tech, what's the anti-vaxxer thinking around those?

[JerryRig]

It was initially thought that mRNA didn’t enter the cells or leave the injection site. Turns out this was wrong think. Regardless, it doesn’t have to. By design it was supposed to imprint onto cells the instruction to produce spike protein, a foreign protein to the human body, intended to trigger an immune response from the bodies own immune system. But the natural immunity would have come from the entry through the respiratory system triggering a process of immunity. MRNA bypassed important steps that created a situation that was not intended. Instead the cells in the arterial walls are instructed to produce the spikes, creating a rough surface causing blood clots (myocarditis etc). In addition to this something went wrong and some of the “clots” in some people have been found to be of material protein that isn’t supposed to be there. Embalmers have been finding these in major arteries that have consistency of calamari. One of the factors that explains why many have not fallen ill (yet) is that the batches have been found to be inconsistent. Also, the speed at which these batches were prepared (under emergency authorization) contain metals and synthetics from tge manufacturing process (at minimum) and this obviously is a poisoning of the blood.

Im oversimplifying but most doctors don’t get this, or if they do they are not allowed to talk about it lest they get their licenses pulled by their governing body who are trying desperately to cover this crime up.

[Sulako]

It was initially thought that mRNA didn’t enter the cells or leave the injection site.

No scientist has ever thought that. In order for it to work, mRNA travels to our thigh muscle cells to tell them to start a special project for a day or so. What it does NOT do is enter our cel nuclei. It can't penetrate the nuclear membrane, which is the reason for the membrane's existence.

By design it was supposed to imprint onto cells the instruction to produce spike protein, a foreign protein to the human body, intended to trigger an immune response from the bodies own immune system.

We actually kind of agree here, which is awesome. mRNA tells our muscle cells to produce a hollow shell of the covid virus. The 'spike protein' sure sounds scary, doesn't it. All spiky and whatnot. Maybe if you think of it like a spiky hollow ball that might help. Because there's nothing inside the protein itself - if it was the covid virus, there would be all the covid instructions that make poeple sick and die, but mRNA doesn't replicate that part, it just tells our muscle cells to make the spiky shell.

So yes, we agree that mRNA tells our muscle cells to produce a hollow copy of what looks exactly like the covid virus, in order to provoke an immune response. This is progress, and something we can build upon later maybe. There's always hope!

But the natural immunity would have come from the entry through the respiratory system triggering a process of immunity.

I'm confused about this part, can you please clarify for me? The whole point of vaccines is to reduce the chance of actually getting covid, or to reduce the effect of the virus if we get it anyways. What's natural immunity? If it involves getting Covid, it's not useful so I'm hoping it's something else.

MRNA bypassed important steps that created a situation that was not intended. Instead the cells in the arterial walls are instructed to produce the spikes, creating a rough surface causing blood clots (myocarditis etc). In addition to this something went wrong and some of the “clots” in some people have been found to be of material protein that isn’t supposed to be there. Embalmers have been finding these in major arteries that have consistency of calamari. One of the factors that explains why many have not fallen ill (yet) is that the batches have been found to be inconsistent.

That sounds very anecdotal, sort of like "my buddy said this". I thrive on facts, and new knowledge is always welcome. Did you know that getting Covid gives a person 6x the chance of myocarditis than getting vaccinated against it? The proteins are produced in our thigh cells. Not sure what protein clots are, that isn't science speak. What batches have been found to be inconsistent? Inconsistent in what way? Do you mean the mRNA batches or the old-school covid vaccine batches? Saying "embalmers have found calamari in hearts" sounds very scary, but I can't take that seriously without any context. It sounds like poeple with an agenda, because if there wasn't an agenda there would be a whole lot more information about it.

Also, the speed at which these batches were prepared (under emergency authorization) contain metals and synthetics from tge manufacturing process (at minimum) and this obviously is a poisoning of the blood.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that all of the covid vaccine manufacturers world-wide added non-labelled 'synthetics' (what does that even mean) and metals to their vaccines? Like, all of the literally dozens of manufacturers world-wide? This sounds to me like the fear around Thimerosal (contains mercury) which has been used as a preservative for decades in multiple flu vaccines etc. Actually, thimerosal is only used in multi-dose flu vaccines, it's not used in covid vaccines because it's not needed.

Im oversimplifying but most doctors don’t get this, or if they do they are not allowed to talk about it lest they get their licenses pulled by their governing body who are trying desperately to cover this crime up.

When people say they are oversimplifying, I generally look to see what their grasp of the subject matter is, because that's a red flag.

Are you telling me that the governing bodies of every country in the world are together on this? That doesn't sound correct. Covid vaccines are made and available in every country in the world. Last time I checked, lots of countries have really different political opinions and it defies belief that all the doctors in the world are being told to lie to keep their licences with no pushback.

And that doesn't address the hundreds of thousands of doctors who go on record saying "vaccines are basic science, and they are safe and effective", even the retired ones who are no longer worried about licensing.

Maybe instead of there being a huge conspiracy, it's more likely that a very few people want to add credibility to their claims by invoking the spectre of being silenced. I'm willing to listen, but I need facts.

And again, what about the non-mRNA covid vaccines, of which there are dozens? Are those okay? If not, why?

[7ECA]

Maybe instead of there being a huge conspiracy, it's more likely that a very few people want to add credibility to their claims by invoking the spectre of being silenced. I'm willing to listen, but I need facts.

You've hit the nail on the head there. JerryRig, et el, have been spouting off about this being a massive conspiracy from nearly day one. Think all the #GreatReset crap that was all the rage for a time, along with the Davos bashing, Bill Gates population control nonsense, etc. These individuals, whom appear quite unhinged to the majority of folks, feel as though they've been given some divine insight into a hideous conspiracy that only they have managed to uncover! Then, they find a small group of likeminded zealots whom happen to agree with them and they build up their echo chamber until they feel as though they've uncovered this incontrovertible truth that they can shout from the rooftops to inform the ignorant plebes... Hang on, that's a cult, isn't it?

Except it's fear mongering, at best, to at worst being outright sedition a la the "freedom" convoy and their ilk. I mean, we've got that wing nut Romana Didulo running around the Prairies at the moment calling herself everything from the queen of Canada to the supreme leader.

COVID exposed a lot of hard and ugly truths that many societies have been ignoring (at their own peril) for far too long. One of the most pressing, is a decline in public education which has reared its ugly head as a distrust in public institutions. We can talk all we want about the healthcare system and it's many foibles, imperfections and shortcomings, but unless we address the decline in education we're just setting up for the next pandemic or healthcare crisis to be even more destabilizing.

[‘Bob’]

The central tenet of genetics is that DNA encodes RNA and RNA encodes proteins. It cannot be reversed. DNA can encode other DNA (cell mitosis) and RNA can encode RNA (precursor mRNA encoding mRNA to remove non-coding sections).

But mRNA cannot encode DNA. Period.

[JerryRig]

The central tenet of genetics is that DNA encodes RNA and RNA encodes proteins. It cannot be reversed. DNA can encode other DNA (cell mitosis) and RNA can encode RNA (precursor mRNA encoding mRNA to remove non-coding sections).

But mRNA cannot encode DNA. Period.

mRNA instructs the DNA what proteins to create.

[JerryRig]

Are you telling me that the governing bodies of every country in the world are together on this? That doesn't sound correct. Covid vaccines are made and available in every country in the world. Last time I checked, lots of countries have really different political opinions and it defies belief that all the doctors in the world are being told to lie to keep their licences with no pushback.

Yes. The narrative was in unison. I watched it real time. "We are all in this together" wasn't an encouragement to the viewers, it was an admition of the perpetrators.

And that doesn't address the hundreds of thousands of doctors who go on record saying "vaccines are basic science, and they are safe and effective", even the retired ones who are no longer worried about licensing.

There are vaccines, and there is this experimental mRNA jab. Don't confuse the two. They lied about safe and effective and the proof is in the contracts to government.

Maybe instead of there being a huge conspiracy, it's more likely that a very few people want to add credibility to their claims by invoking the spectre of being silenced. I'm willing to listen, but I need facts.

I have posted facts on this forum before, but many aren't willing to accept the facts. "You can't handle the truth".

And again, what about the non-mRNA covid vaccines, of which there are dozens? Are those okay? If not, why?

I'm not criticizing traditional vaccines, however there is evidence many of those are also questionable.

Please refer to the following links for more facts and evidence.

the reconstructed redacted FOI contract to the Canadian Governement
https://fringemajority.substack.com/p/t ... r-contract

The commentary for the above
https://twitter.com/OdessaOrlewicz/stat ... 5232230673

A one-stop shopping for evidence and reports etc and the revealing that not all batches are the same leading to inconsistant adverse reactions or lack of
https://www.howbadismybatch.com

The National Citizens Inquiry final report and real witness testimony about the plannedemic/scamdemic nobody in media and government wanted to hear.

Please review all the video testimony BEFORE commenting.
https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/comm ... rs-report/

[Big Pistons Forever]

I have posted facts on this forum before, but many aren't willing to accept the facts. "You can't handle the truth".

Well it seems there is one think we agree on. Gerry Rig can't handle the truth

[Posthumane]

mRNA instructs the DNA what proteins to create.

Mmmm, no. mRNA instructs ribosomes what proteins to create. It does not instruct DNA, and DNA does not create proteins.

[Sulako]

mRNA instructs the DNA what proteins to create.

Mmmm, no. mRNA instructs ribosomes what proteins to create. It does not instruct DNA, and DNA does not create proteins.

You beat me to it Posthumane! Thanks eh, it's really heartening to see science knowledge on display

[Sulako]

Are you telling me that the governing bodies of every country in the world are together on this? That doesn't sound correct. Covid vaccines are made and available in every country in the world. Last time I checked, lots of countries have really different political opinions and it defies belief that all the doctors in the world are being told to lie to keep their licences with no pushback.

Yes. The narrative was in unison. I watched it real time. "We are all in this together" wasn't an encouragement to the viewers, it was an admition of the perpetrators.

Okay, I understand now. We are done here, this isn't an actual discussion. An actual discussion would involve both parties using logic and reason and I don't see that happening here. Fly safe Jerryrig and best of luck.

[JerryRig]

mRNA instructs the DNA what proteins to create.

Mmmm, no. mRNA instructs ribosomes what proteins to create. It does not instruct DNA, and DNA does not create proteins.

Mmm ok, regardless. Proteins are being created where they shouldn’t be and people are getting sick and dying. See the links above.

[Aviatard]

Are you telling me that the governing bodies of every country in the world are together on this? That doesn't sound correct. Covid vaccines are made and available in every country in the world. Last time I checked, lots of countries have really different political opinions and it defies belief that all the doctors in the world are being told to lie to keep their licences with no pushback.

Yes. The narrative was in unison. I watched it real time. "We are all in this together" wasn't an encouragement to the viewers, it was an admition of the perpetrators.

Okay, I understand now. We are done here, this isn't an actual discussion. An actual discussion would involve both parties using logic and reason and I don't see that happening here. Fly safe Jerryrig and best of luck.

Congrats on trying a reasoned approach but you can’t fight the wack-a-mole of nuttiness that Jerry will throw at you.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Im oversimplifying but most doctors don’t get this, or if they do they are not allowed to talk about it lest they get their licenses pulled by their governing body who are trying desperately to cover this crime up.

All hail Dr. Jerry!

[CpnCrunch]

Mmm ok, regardless. Proteins are being created where they shouldn’t be and people are getting sick and dying. See the links above.

Nobody is dying from the vaccines, and all the evidence shows that they reduce mortality. I looked at your links and didn't see a single scientific study linked to. You only seem to be interested in whackjob blogs and the like.

The proteins are being created in the arm muscle. From the body's perspective there is no difference in principle from continually injecting small amounts of the protein into the muscle over a period of 24 hours, and the mRNA will degrade in a few days. Nothing scary about that, and in fact I see it as one of the few true technological advances in the last 20 years.

[JerryRig]

Mmm ok, regardless. Proteins are being created where they shouldn’t be and people are getting sick and dying. See the links above.

Nobody is dying from the vaccines, and all the evidence shows that they reduce mortality. I looked at your links and didn't see a single scientific study linked to. You only seem to be interested in whackjob blogs and the like.

The poll contributors disagree with this. But yet you feel the need to attack me personally. I get it, you suffer Stockholm Syndrome. I’m the bad guy, not the perps.

[CortoMaltese]

Nobody is dying from the vaccines

Yes, people are dying from the vaccines, maybe not by millions, but some people are dying.
Here is just one story from Québec:
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... -sangin-az

The probability to die from the vaccines is certainly low, but it does exist. Nobody can deny this.

[Big Pistons Forever]

But someone died in Quebec so the COVID vaccines are bad right ?

I notice none of the anti vaxers commented on my post on page 4

I will post it again

A lot of the anti vaxers relate tales of personal knowledge of someone who was allegedly hurt by the COVID Vaccine. Here is my tale. A friend had a critical operation to remove a cancerous growth delayed because the ICU was full of nonvaccinated patients with severe COVID. I know this for a fact because I know one of the nurses in the unit.

So my friend should be happy that all those people really sick in the ICU because they refused an effective vaccine got to exercise a personal freedom at my friends direct expense ?

[JustaCanadian]

But someone died in Quebec so the COVID vaccines are bad right ?

I notice none of the anti vaxers commented on my post on page 4

I will post it again

A lot of the anti vaxers relate tales of personal knowledge of someone who was allegedly hurt by the COVID Vaccine. Here is my tale. A friend had a critical operation to remove a cancerous growth delayed because the ICU was full of nonvaccinated patients with severe COVID. I know this for a fact because I know one of the nurses in the unit.

So my friend should be happy that all those people really sick in the ICU because they refused an effective vaccine got to exercise a personal freedom at my friends direct expense ?

Facts!

Not sure what kind of reply you are seeking from your post, maybe you could let us know what discussion you would like to have regarding your friend and this hospital experience.

[CpnCrunch]

Nobody is dying from the vaccines

Yes, people are dying from the vaccines, maybe not by millions, but some people are dying.
Here is just one story from Québec:
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... -sangin-az

The probability to die from the vaccines is certainly low, but it does exist. Nobody can deny this.

Thats not an mrna vaccine, and it hasnt been used in canada since 2021. Also, the risk of thrombosis was higher from covid than that vaccine.

[CpnCrunch]

Mmm ok, regardless. Proteins are being created where they shouldn’t be and people are getting sick and dying. See the links above.

Nobody is dying from the vaccines, and all the evidence shows that they reduce mortality. I looked at your links and didn't see a single scientific study linked to. You only seem to be interested in whackjob blogs and the like.

The poll contributors disagree with this. But yet you feel the need to attack me personally. I get it, you suffer Stockholm Syndrome. I’m the bad guy, not the perps.

No, i was commenting on your sources, not you personally. Post a review from a peer reviewed journal. The poll is just as useless in terms of evidence.

[JerryRig]

Nobody is dying from the vaccines

Yes, people are dying from the vaccines, maybe not by millions, but some people are dying.
Here is just one story from Québec:
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... -sangin-az

The probability to die from the vaccines is certainly low, but it does exist. Nobody can deny this.

The probability of dying from the experimental jab (it's not a vaccine) is WAY higher than traditional vaccines. In the thousands. This is unacceptable as the probability of dying of covid is a minute fraction of that. This is an unacceptable risk.