PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Hello aviators

I am trying to get a feel on how long approximately and the training and testing behind the PPC on the chieftain?

Also is the PCC “lighter” on the training and testing side?

Appreciate any input
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Sounds like this might be your first commercial job, good time to start getting more familiar with the regs and standards that apply to your chosen career, this could be a good exercise for that. You’ll need that skill at some point in your future.

Assuming this is a 703 air operator, 723.98 holds the answer to most training related questions, including minimum ground school and flight time required (plus the ride). Look for the tables at the end of the section.

PPC is done with an ACP (ministers delegate), PCC is done to a company standard.

Good luck

Further information will be found in the COM.
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Are you working in yxl?
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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canadian_aviator_4 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:56 pm Are you working in yxl?
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Z28 wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:47 pm Hello aviators

I am trying to get a feel on how long approximately and the training and testing behind the PPC on the chieftain?

Also is the PCC “lighter” on the training and testing side?

Appreciate any input
Going from memory, so keep that in mind, it’s a minimum of 4 hours instruction followed by a PPC.
The training covers the typical stuff you would have experienced in your multi-IFR ride but also learning the Navajo systems and operating. Steep turns, stalls, engine failure on a go around at altitude then back to the airport for a non precision and precision approach, not sure if you have to do a hold but possibly.
If it’s a single pilot operation, you will need to demonstrate the use of the autopilot, if it’s two crew then there will also be SOP’s.
There is a very small chance the company has its own check pilot, so the PPC will be conducted by Transport Canada which unless it’s changed over the years, they like to grill you for 1-2 hours on systems and IFR/Cap Gen. I used to tell candidates, make sure you have the systems down cold but after a while, get one wrong. It seems like the more you answer correct without hesitation, the more they dig to try and stump you. This was how I perceived it anyway.
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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The PCC doesn’t need a flight test, just a check with a company check pilot if I’m not mistaken?
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Z28 wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:03 am The PCC doesn’t need a flight test, just a check with a company check pilot if I’m not mistaken?
Yes and no, a PCC is supposed to be a check ride with a company training pilot and for intents and purposes should be similar to a PPC.
However, from experience it is much more relaxed and not really a pass fail situation, unless you are really bad in which case you shouldn’t have been recommended anyway.
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Re: PPC Piper Navajo 350 (Training times?)

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Biggest problem now is getting a tcca examiner. Expect a dfte/acp ride. Figure a week's groundschool(tc will have the required time in the aoc of training manual.) Then probably 5 hrs and a 1.5 ride, with a lineindoc of anywhere from. 10-25 hrs before being cut loose.
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