Emirates or Air Canada

[BigGreen]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

You nailed it...

See you in about 15 years after you give up on life in the sand pit.

Once has to ask why veteran Emirates are joining Air Canada these days....

[billybgone345]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

I think you answered it yourself. If they really wanted to they could have given you a Delta contract by now.
The union FAQ and video suggested their only solution for paying pilots more was to call an impasse to strike before the summer (preserve the summer schedule) and get the cheapest pilot deal possible by starving you of your wages. Does that sound like someone that cares about you and your cost of living crisis?

[BigGreen]

You nailed it...

See you in about 15 years after you give up on life in the sand pit.

Once has to ask why veteran Emirates are joining Air Canada these days....

You sound like some boomer who spent a career deep throating management which turned this profession into a joke.

Then because 10 Emirates pilots came to Air Canada you can rationalize the shittiest North American contract.

Hopefully you got some exotic Asian layovers on the sked so you can get some blue pills to help you Rise Higher

[RippleRock]

You nailed it...

See you in about 15 years after you give up on life in the sand pit.

Once has to ask why veteran Emirates are joining Air Canada these days....

You sound like some boomer who spent a career deep throating management which turned this profession into a joke.

Then because 10 Emirates pilots came to Air Canada you can rationalize the shittiest North American contract.

Hopefully you got some exotic Asian layovers on the sked so you can get some blue pills to help you Rise Higher

Nailed it!

Gotta admit the guy has a "set", or he's just desperate for a little love. Must be lonely on layovers with all those pesky "red lanyard WCC P4C loser children".

To come back on this forum and spew rhetoric that attempts to justify the shit sandwich they served us up for the last two decades takes nads, or more likely just stupidity. Thinking the latter.

[aeronauticaldisaster]

ReturnoftheKaffee!

Former ACPA shill of the worst pilot union on the planet.

Brutal

[BTD]

You nailed it...

See you in about 15 years after you give up on life in the sand pit.

Once has to ask why veteran Emirates are joining Air Canada these days....

You sound like some boomer who spent a career deep throating management which turned this profession into a joke.

Then because 10 Emirates pilots came to Air Canada you can rationalize the shittiest North American contract.

Hopefully you got some exotic Asian layovers on the sked so you can get some blue pills to help you Rise Higher

This really made me laugh.

[Ash Ketchum]

There are ex Emirates pilots joining Air Canada these days but no Air Canada pilots going to Emirates from what I know. In talking to some of the ex Emirates pilots they say the lack of job security and the lifestyle at Emirates isn't worth it anymore.

Same goes for Cathay and a lot of the other Asian carriers.

[Lt. Daniel Kaffee]

Careful Ash....the neanderthals will be after you...

spew rhetoric that attempts to justify the shit sandwich they served us up for the last two decades takes nads

RR, you really are a dumb one trick pony....those 2 decades of losses that ACPA produced were voted on by your fellow pilots....
so you better start calling out the other 2000 or 3000 pilots losers.

In spite of your constant George Costanza "tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth" rhetoric, I have never ever been a union official and you have never voted for me. But thanks for the vote of support...you and my mom.

[Yogi21]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=h7u9B9EmxEM ... _kCBjMXMbz


The only reason a few 55+ aged pilots came back was because they were laid off during covid. They are definitely going back to Emirates/Riyadh air.

[RB211]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

[RB211]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=h7u9B9EmxEM ... _kCBjMXMbz


The only reason a few 55+ aged pilots came back was because they were laid off during covid. They are definitely going back to Emirates/Riyadh air.

Don’t confuse a 55+ pilot going back as a ‘desire’ to be there versus the ‘financial need’ at that late career stage.

[BigGreen]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

I just don't see anything shiny at AC

I have friends there. They live in poverty while they get harassed by crew scheduling when they are on layover

At least WJ has some bases that don't force you into 500 Sq foot apartments. Plus WJ has industry standard long call

The Emirates starting pay is much better and the overseas flying sounds interesting

[Yogi21]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=h7u9B9EmxEM ... _kCBjMXMbz


The only reason a few 55+ aged pilots came back was because they were laid off during covid. They are definitely going back to Emirates/Riyadh air.

Don’t confuse a 55+ pilot going back as a ‘desire’ to be there versus the ‘financial need’ at that late career stage.

How is AC better than Emirates as a career? If you like Canada because you have strong family ties here and will feel home sick overseas, thats a different story. If you compare the job and the lifestyle here are a few points. You will be making extremely sick money from day one as an FO more than an AC Captain on widebody from day 1. They provide you with a 4 bedroom villa and transportation to and from the airport. So with your accommodation paid, you can have a luxurious living and still save money. Get to experience great destinations. Have access to a great medical facility. Have a provident fund which is arguably much better than current AC retirement plan for new hires. On the flipside you get hired at 55,000 dollars at AC. You cant provide for your family with this amount. You cant rent a decent place. You wont be able to save money for a downpayment. Eventually you spend a couple years and finally you are off reserve and start to see a somewhat okish schedule. Now its time to upgrade and you do it on the narrowbody only to realize that you are deadheading all the time and are on reserve 18 days again. You have layovers at Fort St John and Fort Mac. Even though as a Captain you can finally start saving for the downpayment, you are still miserable and you will see other frowny AC guys at the airport just as miserable. So where it starts to pay off is if you compare the last 10 years at AC vs Emirates, you would have accumulated enough seniority at AC to bid nice destinations on the wide body and work 12-13 days. Whereas Emirates kind of has a mixed seniority-socialized bid system where they place you in 5 groups and every 5th month your group is number 1, 6th month number 2 and so on. So even if you are the junior most guy in your group, you get higher bid preference than the other 4 groups every 5th month, and even in the 6th month you get higher bid preference than 3 other groups and so on. So its not too bad but yes at AC after 20 years based on earned seniority at that time it works better in your favour. Although one can argue that Emirates pilots had it better for the first 20 where you can plan better to be with your family. At the end of the day you are comparing a luxurious lifestyle vs lowest paid in the world. Unless they drastically improve the contract at AC, you are a 100% better off at Emirates. Granted it’s not for everyone and some may not adjust to moving away from Canada and away from your parents, friends and other family, a lot of my friends love it there.

[Yogi21]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

I just don't see anything shiny at AC

I have friends there. They live in poverty while they get harassed by crew scheduling when they are on layover

At least WJ has some bases that don't force you into 500 Sq foot apartments. Plus WJ has industry standard long call

The Emirates starting pay is much better and the overseas flying sounds interesting

Good luck with the interview. Dont take the selection process lightly its very competitive. Hope you make it!

[MontrealCanucks]

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

I just don't see anything shiny at AC

I have friends there. They live in poverty while they get harassed by crew scheduling when they are on layover

At least WJ has some bases that don't force you into 500 Sq foot apartments. Plus WJ has industry standard long call

The Emirates starting pay is much better and the overseas flying sounds interesting

Good luck with the interview. Dont take the selection process lightly its very competitive. Hope you make it!

How competitive is it at the NHL now?

A pulse and show up for your interview?

Honestly. I assume they take what they can get. Flight Ops should be embarrassed of what they turned this airline into

[RB211]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

I just don't see anything shiny at AC

I have friends there. They live in poverty while they get harassed by crew scheduling when they are on layover

At least WJ has some bases that don't force you into 500 Sq foot apartments. Plus WJ has industry standard long call

The Emirates starting pay is much better and the overseas flying sounds interesting

I wasn’t meaning AC being shiny. I was referring to the overseas thing.

You have to do what’s right for you. Just make sure you know what you’re getting into with the sandpit.

If you only focus on the negative at AC and the positives somewhere else you may find reality not as you envisioned it.

[Eric Janson]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

My advice would be that if you have a stable job in your home country then that's your best option. JMHO.

Don't underestimate the value of Unions, Labour Laws and a fair Legal System. You won't find these in the UAE.

The contract at Emirates is just a piece of paper - as was clearly demonstrated during COVID. Job security is zero.

I used to have regular 1 week layovers in Dubai - I've never been able to picture myself living there.

It's also a very expensive place to live if you want to have any kind of life. Just a couple of drinks will cost $$$.

As has been said above - know what you are getting yourself into.

https://www.detainedindubai.org/ - some interesting reading for you.

[Torontomaplelaughs]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

My advice would be that if you have a stable job in your home country then that's your best option. JMHO.

Don't underestimate the value of Unions, Labour Laws and a fair Legal System. You won't find these in the UAE.

The contract at Emirates is just a piece of paper - as was clearly demonstrated during COVID. Job security is zero.

I used to have regular 1 week layovers in Dubai - I've never been able to picture myself living there.

It's also a very expensive place to live if you want to have any kind of life. Just a couple of drinks will cost $$$.

As has been said above - know what you are getting yourself into.

https://www.detainedindubai.org/ - some interesting reading for you.

From the website:

"Some unfortunate people have been arrested in a public place like their London office or a hotel restaurant in Rome."

Should AC pilots avoid layovers in London & Rome now?!

[vanislepilot]

If seniority isn’t the biggest deal at Emirates (I’ve heard even for upgrades it’s not really seniority based) why not just wait for ACs new deal before deciding to move to Dubai?

[alkaseltzer]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Counting chickens before eggs hatch…you must work at Jazz…

[garfield]

On average, you fly more at EK or AC?

Anything above 15 days per month is too much.

[jpilot77]

Doesn’t Emirates consider a day on layover not flying a day off?

[flying4dollars]

I got an interview with Emirates and I can't afford to live on Air Canada wages in Toronto or Vancouver

Does anyone have an update on negotiations or should I assume these Air Canada managers are incompetent and out to lunch like their On Time Performance, bag tracking or ability to take care of wheels chairs

Thanks in advance

Just make sure you know what you would be getting yourself into if it isn’t AC. Don’t be relying on a recruiter to paint a realistic picture.

Think about your life in total and longer term. Getting enticed by the shiny carrot can be a regretful move.

I just don't see anything shiny at AC

I have friends there. They live in poverty while they get harassed by crew scheduling when they are on layover

At least WJ has some bases that don't force you into 500 Sq foot apartments. Plus WJ has industry standard long call

The Emirates starting pay is much better and the overseas flying sounds interesting

I'm confused. Sounds like you already made your mind up, so why come on here and ask everyone what you should do? Pack up and go!

[canadian_aviator_4]

I would say wait for the new contract, as seniority does not matter at emirates for upgrades. However it’s everything in North America.