Flight Training - Criminal Record

[Fly4Ever9]

Hello,

I am in beginning stages of my flight training and can use some advice. I had a run in with the police where I was arrested and taken to detention but shortly released after with the police deciding to not pursue the charge. I was released without having to go to court and ultimately I was not charged and not convicted. There should be a police record of my arrest. I did not have any other problems with the police prior to this. My driving record is clean with minor traffic tickets going back to more than five years ago. Flight training is not cheap and my goal is to make it to the major airlines. Should I continue or will I eventually hit a road block. I do not want to invest all this money for a false career dream.

Let me know what you guys think, thank you.

[Bede]

Hello,

I am in beginning stages of my flight training and can use some advice. I had a run in with the police where I was arrested and taken to detention but shortly released after with the police deciding to not pursue the charge. I was released without having to go to court and ultimately I was not charged and not convicted. There should be a police record of my arrest. I did not have any other problems with the police prior to this. My driving record is clean with minor traffic tickets going back to more than five years ago. Flight training is not cheap and my goal is to make it to the major airlines. Should I continue or will I eventually hit a road block. I do not want to invest all this money for a false career dream.

Let me know what you guys think, thank you.

What were you arrested for? I can give you a complete answer once I know. Youll be able to do flight training. However, if it's drug related, there is a good probability that you will not pass your security clearance for your Restricted Area Identification Card which is a precondition of employment with pretty much any airline.

[RoAF-Mig21]

What were you arrested for? I can give you a complete answer once I know. Youll be able to do flight training. However, if it's drug related, there is a good probability that you will not pass your security clearance for your Restricted Area Identification Card which is a precondition of employment with pretty much any airline.

Well arrested is one thing. Charged AND CONVICTED is another story. "All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law". At least that's how it SHOULD work.

Hello,

I am in beginning stages of my flight training and can use some advice. I had a run in with the police where I was arrested and taken to detention but shortly released after with the police deciding to not pursue the charge. I was released without having to go to court and ultimately I was not charged and not convicted. There should be a police record of my arrest. I did not have any other problems with the police prior to this. My driving record is clean with minor traffic tickets going back to more than five years ago. Flight training is not cheap and my goal is to make it to the major airlines. Should I continue or will I eventually hit a road block. I do not want to invest all this money for a false career dream.

Let me know what you guys think, thank you.

Anyway. Your best bet is to get a "Criminal Record Check" and "Child Abuse Registry Check" or whatever it's called. We all had to do it in order to be employed. Anytime you work with the public you need that. So, to save yourself time and money, do that first. Also consult a lawyer IF there are things that shouldn't be there. I'm not a police officer, lawyer or anything else. When it comes to serious questions like these, consult professionals.

[TeePeeCreeper]

You didn’t get charged or convicted? The police may keep a record of detaining you but that won’t show up in a record check.

Unless you’re omitting something… good to go as far as I can see!

Good luck,

TPC

[tsgarp]

Hello,

I am in beginning stages of my flight training and can use some advice. I had a run in with the police where I was arrested and taken to detention but shortly released after with the police deciding to not pursue the charge. I was released without having to go to court and ultimately I was not charged and not convicted. There should be a police record of my arrest. I did not have any other problems with the police prior to this. My driving record is clean with minor traffic tickets going back to more than five years ago. Flight training is not cheap and my goal is to make it to the major airlines. Should I continue or will I eventually hit a road block. I do not want to invest all this money for a false career dream.

Let me know what you guys think, thank you.

If no charges were laid, it likely didn’t make it into CPIC, which means that nothing will show on a criminal record check. Best bet is to contact the police agency that arrested you and ask if they put anything in CPIC. If they didn’t, you’re good. If they did, you can apply to have the record expunged (there are lawyers that specialize in this)

[Bede]

Sorry guys, how you think it should work and how it actually works are two radically different things in this matter.

You can be denied a RAIC for having a relative who is involved in the drug trade. Do I think it's fair? No, but that's the way it is.

Lots of background on this site on this topic and on CanLII.

[tellyourkidstogetarealjob]

I have held a Top Secret security clearance and worked directly with this. That was, however, forty years ago so things could have changed.

There are a lot of variables to be considered and you should probably seek the advice of a lawyer that specializes in pardons and having files expunged. Most provinces have a lawyer referral service where you can get the name of someone local.


If you were fingerprinted you will have an FPS# (Finger Print Section) and there will be a CPIC entry (Canadian Police Information Computer).
You do not need to ask the arresting department if they exist. They do.
A CPIC entry can exist without an FPS#. This happens with some traffic offences where you are not fingerprinted.
The FPS# is permanent. The CPIC file is what a cop calls up on their computer when they pull you over and other uses. A lawyer can help you get the content of these files deleted. Just because the charge was not proceeded with does not mean the file goes away.

If there was a sexual component to the charge this does not apply.

If you have informed a foreign government this does not apply. For instance, if you answered a question from US Customs & Border Protection then the information is out of Canadian hands. There may be a way to get rid of this stateside. That's a question for a US lawyer.

Generally speaking, in Canada, a question regarding your past will be something along the lines of, "Have you ever been convicted of an offence for which you have not received a pardon?" You can safely answer, 'no'.

However, in other countries or with US owned Canadian companies the question may be as simple as, "Have you ever been charged with an offence?"
Answering 'no' to this and hoping to not get caught has obvious risks.

I would suggest consulting a lawyer sooner rather than later.

[The Champ]

Listen to Bede. He’s been on here 20yrs and speaks when he knows. If you can’t get a RAIC, you’re going to be limited. Too much money to risk.

[pelmet]

Sorry guys, how you think it should work and how it actually works are two radically different things in this matter.

You can be denied a RAIC for having a relative who is involved in the drug trade. Do I think it's fair? No, but that's the way it is.

Lots of background on this site on this topic and on CanLII.

It is interesting to see the inaccurate advice that you can get. I think your first statement is very important.

[Bede]

It would be nice if OP would answer follow up questions so they can get more specific advice.

Anyways, what I would do is try to get any airport job that requires a RAIC- CSA, ramp, etc. If you get denied, at least you know. If you get a RAIC then you know you've passed the screening and will likely get one later as a pilot.

[redlaser]

Stealing a chocolate bar at walmarts will get you a criminal record and you will be banned from entering the USA,

[Bede]

Stealing a chocolate bar at walmarts will get you a criminal record and you will be banned from entering the USA,

Saying that as a blanket statement is simply not true.

[cncpc]

Stealing a chocolate bar at walmarts will get you a criminal record and you will be banned from entering the USA,

No it won't.

You have to be convicted of something (not all convictions matter). There is a difference on getting into the US, and getting a RAIC. There is a lot of horseshit in the RAIC process, but the US is pretty straightforward.

[redlaser]

If you plan flying into the USA don't fly into Port Huron, the custom guy's working there hate Canadians,