Rise Air 705

[g4m8l3r91]

Hello everyone just wondering how it's like to work on the ATR42 and the Saab 340 in terms of flying hours/year

[172DDriver]

Monday to Friday flying, some Sunday flying. 18 working days 10 GDOs a month. Not sure the exact number of hours each month but it is consistent, each trip begins and ends in YXE.

[spruceair]

Above is accurate. Saabs will be slowly phased out in favour of more ATRs in the next few years. Mix of sched service and workforce transportation.

[g4m8l3r91]

Above is accurate. Saabs will be slowly phased out in favour of more ATRs in the next few years. Mix of sched service and workforce transportation.

Do you know how many hours can you fly?

[spruceair]

I’m guessing around 50-60/month. May vary month to month but that’s probably a good average.

[W5]

I’m guessing around 50-60/month. May vary month to month but that’s probably a good average.

Wow. In the Norcanair days (pre 1989) we used to do the same kind of work mix, same days, Convair 640 or F27. Normal was timex every 30 and 90 days, which gave good time off. Yearly was around 1100+ hours.

[goingnowherefast]

I'm not sure why pilot utilization is lower today. It's a general industry trend across all 704/705 lite. 1000hrs a year is the current limit, but that's still only 5.5hrs a day working 15 days/month. Not a whole ton of flying.

Is it a lack of support and pilots are wasting duty time on tertiary duties? It certainly takes a lot longer to turn around at every stop when the pilots have to unload the bags from their own ATR before hopping in and getting ready to go flying again. Hire some locals or bring a swamper to load bags while the pilots get the plane ready to fly.

[goldeneagle]

I'm not sure why pilot utilization is lower today. It's a general industry trend across all 704/705 lite. 1000hrs a year is the current limit, but that's still only 5.5hrs a day working 15 days/month. Not a whole ton of flying.

Is it a lack of support and pilots are wasting duty time on tertiary duties? It certainly takes a lot longer to turn around at every stop when the pilots have to unload the bags from their own ATR before hopping in and getting ready to go flying again. Hire some locals or bring a swamper to load bags while the pilots get the plane ready to fly.

Back in the day I did some 1200 and 1300 hour years. Couldn't be done today because we had schedules that had us coming in for early launch at 0530, then wheels down around 2100, and this would go 7 days a week for a couple months during the busy part of the year.

During a busy fire season, if there were thunderstorms in the district I'd be launching at 0530 to do a quick run thru the district checking the spots on the lightning strike map. Down from that trip of an hour and a half we would do two runs to the fishing camps in either Beaver or 185, followed by the afternoon fire patrol which was a 3.5 hour jaunt around the district, then back from that another two trips to fishing camps in the floaters.

Pilots fly less today because that person that arrives for the 0530 launch is going home by noon, and somebody else is going to do the afternoon trips. You wont see folks doing 6 or 7 trips starting at 0530 and finishing by sundown in the mid summer.

[172DDriver]

Is it a lack of support and pilots are wasting duty time on tertiary duties? It certainly takes a lot longer to turn around at every stop when the pilots have to unload the bags from their own ATR before hopping in and getting ready to go flying again. Hire some locals or bring a swamper to load bags while the pilots get the plane ready to fly.

The local rampies are usually even slower and lazier than having the pilots do the work nowadays.

[LillianFelly]

Hello everyone just wondering how it's like to work on the ATR42 and the Saab 340 in terms of flying hours/year

Flying hours can vary depending on airline, route network, and pilot experience, but here's a general comparison of ATR 42 and Saab 340 pilot annual hours:

ATR 42: Typically pilots fly 700-1000 hours annually on ATR 42s.
Saab 340: Saab 340 pilots often fly 500-800 hours per year due to shorter routes often flown by these turboprops.

[bobcaygeon]

I'm not sure why pilot utilization is lower today. It's a general industry trend across all 704/705 lite. 1000hrs a year is the current limit, but that's still only 5.5hrs a day working 15 days/month. Not a whole ton of flying.

Is it a lack of support and pilots are wasting duty time on tertiary duties? It certainly takes a lot longer to turn around at every stop when the pilots have to unload the bags from their own ATR before hopping in and getting ready to go flying again. Hire some locals or bring a swamper to load bags while the pilots get the plane ready to fly.

Have you seen the F&D regs outside of bankers hours. Tough to put in 1000 hrs with those duty days. I know of a few O/T pilots elsewhere who still bump up against a 1000 all year long. The benefit of a captain shortage. BTW they are pushing $300k flying a Dash 8 for doing so.

In fairness in the Norcan days the checklists were shorter, the SOP's were shorter, and the regs where thinner. The days of "kick the tires and light the fires" are gone for 705 flying.

[goingnowherefast]

I'm not sure why pilot utilization is lower today. It's a general industry trend across all 704/705 lite. 1000hrs a year is the current limit, but that's still only 5.5hrs a day working 15 days/month. Not a whole ton of flying.

Is it a lack of support and pilots are wasting duty time on tertiary duties? It certainly takes a lot longer to turn around at every stop when the pilots have to unload the bags from their own ATR before hopping in and getting ready to go flying again. Hire some locals or bring a swamper to load bags while the pilots get the plane ready to fly.

Have you seen the F&D regs outside of bankers hours. Tough to put in 1000 hrs with those duty days. I know of a few O/T pilots elsewhere who still bump up against a 1000 all year long. The benefit of a captain shortage. BTW they are pushing $300k flying a Dash 8 for doing so.

In fairness in the Norcan days the checklists were shorter, the SOP's were shorter, and the regs where thinner. The days of "kick the tires and light the fires" are gone for 705 flying.

Let's plan 11hr duty day, 6 legs at 50+ minutes average. That's still an hour to spare on the new duty limits
1hr prior to departure
4x 20 minute turns
30 minutes to put the plane to bed.
That leaves 8hrs of flight time per day or 6hrs flight time to work 9 duty hours to keep it at true "bankers hours".
Work 15 days/month, that will reach 1000hrs/yr no problem.

We all know northern operators goat @#$! around for an hour waiting for the fuel guy to show up before doing it themselves. 20 minute turns are actually 45+ minutes because pilots have to do everything. Instead of programming the FMS, they're thowing bags. Deice truck is 45 minutes late. Or the northern sprayer tank is empty and, you guessed it, the pilots get to spend 15 minutes to find the new fluid to refill it.

The new regs are forcing efficiency. Can't slog along for 15 duty hours a day for 6 hours of flying anymore. Either provide the support to keep the pilots and planes flying, or don't complain that you're paying an ATR crew 250+ grand/yr to load their own bags instead of fly.