Any Update On The New Contract?

[billybgone345]

I've heard rumours the Flair first year salary is 6 figures and Captains are over 10% higher wages in the first year than WestJet. Is that true?

[co-joe]

Nobody that knows is talking yet. All we know is that ALPA has received an LOU for wage increases from the company, and will being doing a roadshow to present it to the members.

[safetyfirst123]

Why a road show for new pay scale? They shouldn't have to "sell" it to the membership. Hopefully they're a good step forward though.

[MAX8 Driver]

Don't hold your breath. It was negotiated by the same negotiation team that brought us this current garbage contract. More concessions coming in order to foster increased retention and recruitment. .

Vote it down. "You deserve better."

Clearly the company still has no respect for the pilot group.

[CanadianPilot321]

Don't hold your breath. It was negotiated by the same negotiation team that brought us this current garbage contract. More concessions coming in order to foster increased retention and recruitment. .

Vote it down. "You deserve better."

Clearly the company still has no respect for the pilot group.

*False*

The current MEC was negotiating this LOU. And its because of the pilot shortage globally that the Company needs to likely adjust a few contract language in order to better utilize the pilots. ( we won't work more, just more efficiently )

We have high hopes for this. And if it's not what we want. We will vote no.

This is good news. Hopefully news that will bring people over to Flair. Alot of us see a long future here. Canada is growing, so is our business

[Canadaflyer46]

Maybe management will be offering a profit share…

[Canadaflyer46]

Don't hold your breath. It was negotiated by the same negotiation team that brought us this current garbage contract. More concessions coming in order to foster increased retention and recruitment. .

Vote it down. "You deserve better."

Clearly the company still has no respect for the pilot group.

*False*

The current MEC was negotiating this LOU. And its because of the pilot shortage globally that the Company needs to likely adjust a few contract language in order to better utilize the pilots. ( we won't work more, just more efficiently )

We have high hopes for this. And if it's not what we want. We will vote no.

This is good news. Hopefully news that will bring people over to Flair. Alot of us see a long future here. Canada is growing, so is our business

Honestly I don’t know if you’re trolling or not. But if you do work there and can’t see the writing on the wall, then that’s concerning. Do you think the books are any different to what we saw at Lynx when they shut up shop? I’d say Flair has a couple of months left until the CRA bills mount up and the investors pull the plug. Please try your best to get out while there aren’t hundreds of other Flair pilots looking for work at the same time. Best of luck.

[ready]

Those of us that actually work here know what a good job this is. Does it come with some extra risk? Absolutely! It’s a small
Company so while that comes with several huge advantages it also doesn’t have the stability of a more established airline. Is it worth the risk… for the majority of us I’d say it probably is. Throwing in a nice pay raise mid contract doesn’t hurt either.

[flyinhigh]

If that garbage of a contract wasn't voted in, you would not have to worry about mid term raises as you would already be near the top.

I wonder if the company is going to give up trip and duty credits this time, probably not but one can wish.

[ready]

No, of course not. ALPA and the company are not going to open up the entire contract. That’s for the next round when this contract expires, it’s coming fast though…

[CaptDukeNukem]

Those of us that actually work here know what a good job this is. Does it come with some extra risk? Absolutely! It’s a small
Company so while that comes with several huge advantages it also doesn’t have the stability of a more established airline. Is it worth the risk… for the majority of us I’d say it probably is. Throwing in a nice pay raise mid contract doesn’t hurt either.

Porter threw in two pay raises in 6 months. Just sayin’

*cue in all the kool aid drinking responses.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Don't hold your breath. It was negotiated by the same negotiation team that brought us this current garbage contract. More concessions coming in order to foster increased retention and recruitment. .

Vote it down. "You deserve better."

Clearly the company still has no respect for the pilot group.

*False*

The current MEC was negotiating this LOU. And its because of the pilot shortage globally that the Company needs to likely adjust a few contract language in order to better utilize the pilots. ( we won't work more, just more efficiently )

We have high hopes for this. And if it's not what we want. We will vote no.

This is good news. Hopefully news that will bring people over to Flair. Alot of us see a long future here. Canada is growing, so is our business

I’ll bite on the trolling comment here…..

F50, end of discussion.

[goingnowherefast]

Those of us that actually work here know what a good job this is. Does it come with some extra risk? Absolutely! It’s a small
Company so while that comes with several huge advantages it also doesn’t have the stability of a more established airline. Is it worth the risk… for the majority of us I’d say it probably is. Throwing in a nice pay raise mid contract doesn’t hurt either.

Porter threw in two pay raises in 6 months. Just sayin’

*cue in all the kool aid drinking responses.

Lots of companies have raised pay mid-contract. What Porter did and what Flair is doing isn't special. Flair is surprising
because of their very public financial issues. Porter is good at PR. Both are welcome contrast to how WJ and AC (plus their regionals) are handling labour relations, the pilot shortage and pay.

[the_new_guy]

Don't hold your breath. It was negotiated by the same negotiation team that brought us this current garbage contract. More concessions coming in order to foster increased retention and recruitment. .

Vote it down. "You deserve better."

Clearly the company still has no respect for the pilot group.

*False*

The current MEC was negotiating this LOU. And its because of the pilot shortage globally that the Company needs to likely adjust a few contract language in order to better utilize the pilots. ( we won't work more, just more efficiently )

We have high hopes for this. And if it's not what we want. We will vote no.

This is good news. Hopefully news that will bring people over to Flair. Alot of us see a long future here. Canada is growing, so is our business

Nope.

The current MEC wasn't negotiating this, the same negotiating committee we had on our last negotiation (producing the present contract) were the ones at the table.

I'm thrilled to see you have high hopes, I don't share the feeling. It will come with a truckload of concessions. What we will hear in the next weeks is "money doesn't come without something in exchange". Which is true it doesn't with our grade A negotiating team. All senior skippers, no clue what they're doing in term of language and no real consideration for lower seniority.

There's a couple things that I think will be a gain. I think the wages, that's an easy one. And the second is a reduced mmg. But, reducing the mmg without addressing maximum credits and overtime threshold is a joke. All you're doing is giving more flexibility to the company. They will still be able to schedule up to 92 credits, while paying a reduced mmg to the reserve holders.

All in all, I believe this LOU will be a net loss to the pilots. Not financially, even though it won't be that good a gain there also.

We'll have to wait, get your popcorn ready, then we'll see what it actually looks like.

[lament]

hey I've got an idea

why don't we wait until we know even the slightest detail about it before writing multiple paragraph posts about how shitty it is

[the_new_guy]

hey I've got an idea

why don't we wait until we know even the slightest detail about it before writing multiple paragraph posts about how shitty it is

Awesome idea. See you here in a few days (or weeks?).

[flying4dollars]

Those of us that actually work here know what a good job this is. Does it come with some extra risk? Absolutely! It’s a small
Company so while that comes with several huge advantages it also doesn’t have the stability of a more established airline. Is it worth the risk… for the majority of us I’d say it probably is. Throwing in a nice pay raise mid contract doesn’t hurt either.

Porter threw in two pay raises in 6 months. Just sayin’

*cue in all the kool aid drinking responses.

.....?

[PeanutGallery]

Latest rumor is they want people to fly on GDOs for straight pay, hopefully it's just a rumor.

[Yogi21]

LOU#5 is out

[lament]

hey I've got an idea

why don't we wait until we know even the slightest detail about it before writing multiple paragraph posts about how shitty it is

Awesome idea. See you here in a few days (or weeks?).

ok start typing up those paragraphs because this is shitty

[Apestogetherstrong]

Here are the payscales

[digits_]

Here are the payscales

Pretty optimistic they are expecting to make it to jan 1st...

[goingnowherefast]

Those of us that actually work here know what a good job this is. Does it come with some extra risk? Absolutely! It’s a small
Company so while that comes with several huge advantages it also doesn’t have the stability of a more established airline. Is it worth the risk… for the majority of us I’d say it probably is. Throwing in a nice pay raise mid contract doesn’t hurt either.

Porter threw in two pay raises in 6 months. Just sayin’

*cue in all the kool aid drinking responses.

The union shop negotiated raises pretty quickly. So much for the claim that being non-union is more flexible. When both parties work together, good things happen quickly! (Hint hint ACA and WEN management).

[thepoors]

Here are the payscales

Pretty optimistic they are expecting to make it to jan 1st...

You mean may 1st?...

[co-joe]

So yes that's the pay being offered but at 75 mmg. That's the end of the good news, unfortunately as with all things Flair, they want us to take concessions to get it. I'll wait and see how the town hall goes before deciding how to vote.