Best aircraft for 1 day pairings?

[aboveclouds]

What YYZ base narrow body has the most 1 day pairings available? Is it possible to get any 1 day pairings with low seniority? Does Rouge have the most 1 day Caribbean pairings?

[billybgone345]

What YYZ base narrow body has the most 1 day pairings available? Is it possible to get any 1 day pairings with low seniority? Does Rouge have the most 1 day Caribbean pairings?

On average Rouge is 50% and the other NB is 30% for day turns out of YYZ. Rouge has the most Carribean turns but the deep Carribean (eg Grenada, Fort de France, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Kitts, St. Vincent etc) are on the 737.

The Rouge 737 rumour has been around forever but worth considering when half the Rouge fleet is end of life 319s. Factually speaking, several of the 737 fins have been outfitted with a crew rest facility identical to Sunwing/Transat who use 3 pilots due to the new duty fatigue rules. Starting May 1 AC is doing year round service on some islands like St. Vincent and Grenada, doing day turns instead of layovers that were once up to 4 days long!
If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

[Hysteria]

What YYZ base narrow body has the most 1 day pairings available? Is it possible to get any 1 day pairings with low seniority? Does Rouge have the most 1 day Caribbean pairings?

On average Rouge is 50% and the other NB is 30% for day turns out of YYZ. Rouge has the most Carribean turns but the deep Carribean (eg Grenada, Fort de France, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Kitts, St. Vincent etc) are on the 737.

The Rouge 737 rumour has been around forever but worth considering when half the Rouge fleet is end of life 319s. Factually speaking, several of the 737 fins have been outfitted with a crew rest facility identical to Sunwing/Transat who use 3 pilots due to the new duty fatigue rules. Starting May 1 AC is doing year round service on some islands like St. Vincent and Grenada, doing day turns instead of layovers that were once up to 4 days long!
If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

That's interesting. Does the 737 also give you a better schedule than the 319/20 while Junior?

[billybgone345]

What YYZ base narrow body has the most 1 day pairings available? Is it possible to get any 1 day pairings with low seniority? Does Rouge have the most 1 day Caribbean pairings?

On average Rouge is 50% and the other NB is 30% for day turns out of YYZ. Rouge has the most Carribean turns but the deep Carribean (eg Grenada, Fort de France, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Kitts, St. Vincent etc) are on the 737.

The Rouge 737 rumour has been around forever but worth considering when half the Rouge fleet is end of life 319s. Factually speaking, several of the 737 fins have been outfitted with a crew rest facility identical to Sunwing/Transat who use 3 pilots due to the new duty fatigue rules. Starting May 1 AC is doing year round service on some islands like St. Vincent and Grenada, doing day turns instead of layovers that were once up to 4 days long!
If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

That's interesting. Does the 737 also give you a better schedule than the 319/20 while Junior?

Rouge is the one NB outlier where the junior schedules are aweful and the senior ones are amazing- all the day turns have the senior guys working 10 days a month or less and the junior are left for 5am Halifax departures with a Quebec turn to boot after getting up at 2am.

The 737 is easy but inefficient flying. If you can accept you are working 16 days a month (which as a junior what else would you expect other than maximum days?) Then you can hold unpopular routes like Mexico city where you fly one leg per day and are done. A lot of junior pairings are dh somewhere overnight and fly back the next day, with a red eye that's 3 days of work for one single flight.

[altiplano]

If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

Second FO spot? Surely they would have to run an augment Captain?

Or maybe we are going to be the first airline with 737 RPs?

[billybgone345]

If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

Second FO spot? Surely they would have to run an augment Captain?

Or maybe we are going to be the first airline with 737 RPs?

You are right I am assuming a second FO based on a rumour that they will be cross trained to sit in both seats but it could very well be finalized to be Captains.

[hsilgnepilot]

If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

Second FO spot? Surely they would have to run an augment Captain?

Or maybe we are going to be the first airline with 737 RPs?

You are right I am assuming a second FO based on a rumour that they will be cross trained to sit in both seats but it could very well be finalized to be Captains.

It can be done with 1CA/2FO, training would be required from both seats on stuff like emergency descents, stall recovery, engine failures in cruise, and others.

[aboveclouds]

If you want 1 day pairings based in YYZ and don't care about the destination, is the 737, 319/20 or Rouge better?

[Me262]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

[nohojob]

What YYZ base narrow body has the most 1 day pairings available? Is it possible to get any 1 day pairings with low seniority? Does Rouge have the most 1 day Caribbean pairings?

On average Rouge is 50% and the other NB is 30% for day turns out of YYZ. Rouge has the most Carribean turns but the deep Carribean (eg Grenada, Fort de France, St. Lucia, St. Thomas, St. Kitts, St. Vincent etc) are on the 737.

The Rouge 737 rumour has been around forever but worth considering when half the Rouge fleet is end of life 319s. Factually speaking, several of the 737 fins have been outfitted with a crew rest facility identical to Sunwing/Transat who use 3 pilots due to the new duty fatigue rules. Starting May 1 AC is doing year round service on some islands like St. Vincent and Grenada, doing day turns instead of layovers that were once up to 4 days long!
If you desire single day Carribean turns it might make sense to bid 737 and go for the second FO spot on these high credit Carribean turns. Food for thought.

No Sunwing doesn't crew rest facility. There is no augmented flights. There used to have those before crew rest facility was mandatory.
In fact the new rules killed those 3 pilots flights.

[flying4dollars]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

[Me262]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

[PostmasterGeneral]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

If you've got significant heavy jet time, there is a good chance that you will be assigned a WB FO spot right in initial.

[fish4life]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

If you are really junior you don’t want to be a WB FO since the narrowbody has a 16 day max cap but junior WB can be working more than 16 days

[Upgradeable]

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[fish4life]

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

If you are really junior you don’t want to be a WB FO since the narrowbody has a 16 day max cap but junior WB can be working more than 16 days

Fish,

I also heard that initial hires that get WB FO right from the start spend years at the bottom of the list as more senior NB FOs make the jump to WB FO.

Is this true? If so, how long would a pilot have to stay as an NB FO before making the switch to WB FO before they could comfortably hold a block as a WB FO?

It’s kinda like trying to predict the stock market and right now the range is going to be huge. A new contract may have a drastic effect on WB pay if the 4 year flat pay is removed which could result in less people bidding off to take NB captain positions.
Hiring the last 10 years has been huge and allegedly it’s supposed to continue but anything can happens and the time it took for a junior block holder right now might not be representative of what it will be for someone hired next week.

[flying4dollars]

How does fleet assignment work with AC?

Do you get a list of all airplanes available and you draw a number from a hat to get a seniority number and pick what's on the board in order? Is it the same for bases? (pretty much like Jazz?)

Do you have to be lucky to have options for WB FO or RP on WB? Or if you join with jet experience you will have an option to join WB FO even if there's nothing available on the board?

And what is the deal with Rouge? Is Rouge the same as AC mainline (you get a AC seniority number) and you get assigned Rouge only based on what metal you get assigned or is it another subcontractor like Jazz?

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

New hires are frozen on type for I believe it's 2 or 4 years. That being said, there are still a lot of positions needing to be filled and the crew requirements seem to change each bid (keep in mind it is a 1 year outlook). There's an equipment bid every 2 months and they usually reduce the new hire freeze up to a certain seniority range each bid. There is a 300 day requirement to train you (unless you're bidding down a position like NB FO to WB RP).

Long story short, it's hard to say. Factor in a pending contract, it is hard to know what clauses will have changed and what everyone else desires to do with regards to new pay structures and QoL parameters.

[billybgone]

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

If you've got significant heavy jet time, there is a good chance that you will be assigned a WB FO spot right in initial.

This is outdated information. There hasn't been a WB FO from PIT since summer of 2023, except one 330 FO a few weeks ago that was actually a typo for RP.

You can look at the weekly training report and they actually tell you the positions, base and type (RP or FO) for the upcoming Pit classes.

[Hangry]

1) Yes, get a list of available positions/bases. Draw seniority, pick aircraft in order of preference, await results on the last day of PIT
2) Whatever the positions are available for the class is what will be assigned. 737 rated pilots will be given preference for 737 positions outside of seniority, same with WB positions.
3) You are still and AC pilot with AC pilot seniority if you bid Rouge. It is not a separate list.

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

New hires are frozen on type for I believe it's 2 or 4 years. That being said, there are still a lot of positions needing to be filled and the crew requirements seem to change each bid (keep in mind it is a 1 year outlook). There's an equipment bid every 2 months and they usually reduce the new hire freeze up to a certain seniority range each bid. There is a 300 day requirement to train you (unless you're bidding down a position like NB FO to WB RP).

Long story short, it's hard to say. Factor in a pending contract, it is hard to know what clauses will have changed and what everyone else desires to do with regards to new pay structures and QoL parameters.

The 300 day rule does not apply to being trained to WB FO. It’s not considered a higher position. You may be pay activated but there is no requirement for the company to ever train you.

[Me262]

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

If you've got significant heavy jet time, there is a good chance that you will be assigned a WB FO spot right in initial.

This is outdated information. There hasn't been a WB FO from PIT since summer of 2023, except one 330 FO a few weeks ago that was actually a typo for RP.

You can look at the weekly training report and they actually tell you the positions, base and type (RP or FO) for the upcoming Pit classes.

So if one wants WB FO, there is a very good chance I will need to wait 2-4 years before I can switch from NB to WB?

[thepoors]

If you want 1 day pairings based in YYZ and don't care about the destination, is the 737, 319/20 or Rouge better?

Not sure why nobody's mentioned the 220. It has plenty of single days too.

I guess people like to crap on it because it's "regional flying."

[billybgone345]

If you've got significant heavy jet time, there is a good chance that you will be assigned a WB FO spot right in initial.

This is outdated information. There hasn't been a WB FO from PIT since summer of 2023, except one 330 FO a few weeks ago that was actually a typo for RP.

You can look at the weekly training report and they actually tell you the positions, base and type (RP or FO) for the upcoming Pit classes.

So if one wants WB FO, there is a very good chance I will need to wait 2-4 years before I can switch from NB to WB?

If I had to foster a guess yes. The October 2022 MOA that got turned down the company offered 2 years flat pay and with the new contract there is a healthy chance of flat pay being one year (like the American big 3) or two years. Combine folks bidding WB FO for the higher paycheck and any lifestyle improvements from the new contract and it might take a while to slide over.

That being said with the new 787-10 deliveries starting to hit in 2026 they might unfreeze guys to get them over you never know.

[flying4dollars]

Thank you.

If there were no WB FO positions during the PIT class, how long does it usually take to get a NB to WB transfer? (provided you come to AC with jet time)

New hires are frozen on type for I believe it's 2 or 4 years. That being said, there are still a lot of positions needing to be filled and the crew requirements seem to change each bid (keep in mind it is a 1 year outlook). There's an equipment bid every 2 months and they usually reduce the new hire freeze up to a certain seniority range each bid. There is a 300 day requirement to train you (unless you're bidding down a position like NB FO to WB RP).

Long story short, it's hard to say. Factor in a pending contract, it is hard to know what clauses will have changed and what everyone else desires to do with regards to new pay structures and QoL parameters.

The 300 day rule does not apply to being trained to WB FO. It’s not considered a higher position. You may be pay activated but there is no requirement for the company to ever train you.

I know anything to RP is a downbid and there's no requirement for them to train, but from NB FO to WB FO? I think they have 300 days don't they?

[flying4dollars]

If you've got significant heavy jet time, there is a good chance that you will be assigned a WB FO spot right in initial.

This is outdated information. There hasn't been a WB FO from PIT since summer of 2023, except one 330 FO a few weeks ago that was actually a typo for RP.

You can look at the weekly training report and they actually tell you the positions, base and type (RP or FO) for the upcoming Pit classes.

So if one wants WB FO, there is a very good chance I will need to wait 2-4 years before I can switch from NB to WB?

Hard to say. Too many variables right now but yes 2-4 years could be correct

[Hangry]

New hires are frozen on type for I believe it's 2 or 4 years. That being said, there are still a lot of positions needing to be filled and the crew requirements seem to change each bid (keep in mind it is a 1 year outlook). There's an equipment bid every 2 months and they usually reduce the new hire freeze up to a certain seniority range each bid. There is a 300 day requirement to train you (unless you're bidding down a position like NB FO to WB RP).

Long story short, it's hard to say. Factor in a pending contract, it is hard to know what clauses will have changed and what everyone else desires to do with regards to new pay structures and QoL parameters.

The 300 day rule does not apply to being trained to WB FO. It’s not considered a higher position. You may be pay activated but there is no requirement for the company to ever train you.

I know anything to RP is a downbid and there's no requirement for them to train, but from NB FO to WB FO? I think they have 300 days don't they?

Negative. Not without a base change. Many NB FO’s pay activated to WB FO and still flying NB for 2+ years with no training in sight.