nav can awws site closure

[Onesie]

When you hit search, it definitely spits out the airports in alphabetical order based on the airport code and not preferred order in the search bar.

Why is it that we can't see previous hourly metars??

Metars and Tafs need to be grouped together for a specific airport.

Oh.. and when you revisit your browser after a while, the website will reload with all your search results gone. Great, now we have to re-search. Never had the issue with the old site.

When typing in a multitude of airports, why can't I just press space bar after an airport? ("CYYC _space_ CYYZ _space_ CYUL") The airport search field considers it all one entry ("CYYC CYYZ CYUL") and hits back with a search error. This is so basic it makes me laugh.

This website is so lacking.

[JasonE]

I hope they track website traffic. I suspect most people have started going elsewhere for their weather information. I can't stand it.

[fkrauthan]

@Onesie I assume you are still talking about wxbrief.ca? If you click on the "<>" Symbol next to the Search field you switch into plain text mode. In there you can just paste "CYYC CYYZ CYUL" in one go (or enter it separating your input with space and/or dash).

But I still don't get what you mean by order as when I search for that three airports for example the results are ordered exactly the same way. Unless you are taking about something different or a different website?

[Onesie]

I'm talking about the new navcanada weather website

[fkrauthan]

I'm talking about the new navcanada weather website

Ah ok that makes a lot more sense. However I believe they actually changed their route selector. You can't copy paste but a space now automatic "submits" the airport identifier and allows you to enter the next one.

And for the order if you select "Sort By" -> "Location" it should show them in the order entered.

Again not perfect but just wanted to let you know that some of that stuff is possible on CFPS.

[Fly0nTheWall]

Ah ok that makes a lot more sense. However I believe they actually changed their route selector. You can't copy paste but a space now automatic "submits" the airport identifier and allows you to enter the next one.

And for the order if you select "Sort By" -> "Location" it should show them in the order entered.

Again not perfect but just wanted to let you know that some of that stuff is possible on CFPS.

Where's the route selector you're talking about? When I go to the main CFPS weather site, I also still get the same issue where I can't press space. I have to press enter, then click on the field again and type the next ident, etc.

Also, sort by location still lists the airports alphabetically, but groups all the wx products by location (so Metar and Taf for CYXE together, for example), instead of all the Metars grouped together then all the TAFs together etc. etc. But say if I wanted to know the wx in CYYZ then CYUL then CYQB (in that order) that seems to be impossible now. Since QB is before UL then...yaya ok you all know the alphabet.

[fkrauthan]

Ah ok that makes a lot more sense. However I believe they actually changed their route selector. You can't copy paste but a space now automatic "submits" the airport identifier and allows you to enter the next one.

And for the order if you select "Sort By" -> "Location" it should show them in the order entered.

Again not perfect but just wanted to let you know that some of that stuff is possible on CFPS.

Where's the route selector you're talking about? When I go to the main CFPS weather site, I also still get the same issue where I can't press space. I have to press enter, then click on the field again and type the next ident, etc.

Also, sort by location still lists the airports alphabetically, but groups all the wx products by location (so Metar and Taf for CYXE together, for example), instead of all the Metars grouped together then all the TAFs together etc. etc. But say if I wanted to know the wx in CYYZ then CYUL then CYQB (in that order) that seems to be impossible now. Since QB is before UL then...yaya ok you all know the alphabet.

I don't know for me going to https://plan.navcanada.ca/wxrecall/ and where it says "Enter Aerodrome" I not longer get an auto complete and instead it just "enters" the waypoint the moment I hit space.

[Fly0nTheWall]

I don't know for me going to https://plan.navcanada.ca/wxrecall/ and where it says "Enter Aerodrome" I not longer get an auto complete and instead it just "enters" the waypoint the moment I hit space.

Hmm interesting, doesn't work for me. So the site is inconsistent in use across devices/platforms at best

[fkrauthan]

I don't know for me going to https://plan.navcanada.ca/wxrecall/ and where it says "Enter Aerodrome" I not longer get an auto complete and instead it just "enters" the waypoint the moment I hit space.

Hmm interesting, doesn't work for me. So the site is inconsistent in use across devices/platforms at best

I wonder if they are running some A/B testing by region or something like that. I tested it on Chrome/Firefox on Windows as well as Firefox on Android and for me it works the way described above. I am also showing 17.0 5ac6c18 as the version (very bottom of the page). I wonder if you see something different?

[Onesie]

My Samsung android phone stock internet app doesn't allow the space key to separate airports. I see it does via Firefox. I see the sort by "location" function now. Thanks fkrauthan. That helps.

It would be nice to get airport data in the order that it is entered in the search bar. Seeing a SPECI metar and not seeing the previous hourlies or previous SPECIs is lacking. It is nice to compare the TAF with say, the last 6 hours of metars. And see how weather is changing.

The webpage times out and does a full refresh reset. It's nice when you don't have to re-input the search over and over, over the day. I miss the old archaic website. Less is more. I hope Navcanada can make this better. Wxbrief.ca doesn't display previous hourly metars. Basically, there's no good website for weather anymore.

[fkrauthan]

My Samsung android phone stock internet app doesn't allow the space key to separate airports. I see it does via Firefox. I see the sort by "location" function now. Thanks fkrauthan. That helps.

It would be nice to get airport data in the order that it is entered in the search bar. Seeing a SPECI metar and not seeing the previous hourlies or previous SPECIs is lacking. It is nice to compare the TAF with say, the last 6 hours of metars. And see how weather is changing.

The webpage times out and does a full refresh reset. It's nice when you don't have to re-input the search over and over, over the day. I miss the old archaic website. Less is more. I hope Navcanada can make this better. Wxbrief.ca doesn't display previous hourly metars. Basically, there's no good website for weather anymore.

@Onsie. Actually both websites do.

For CFPS: Where you select METAR you can specify how many of previous hours of metar you want to see (up to 6hrs)
For wxbrief.ca: It auto fetches already 6 hours worth of METAR. To see if you can just click on the Clock Symbol next to the current METAR line, it ill show you all previous METAR reports in order (it is by default hidden as otherwise it would take up a lot of space).

[Onesie]

I see that now. I can see 6 hours worth of metars displayed over the span of a bunch of boxes and bunch of scroll bar. And that is just one airport worth. 6 airports is a scrolling mission. This website is trash

[Posthumane]

For those who haven't seen it, this is a great Canadian aviation weather site that I've been using frequently. It doesn't have everything (like radar and satellite) but it has GFAs, METARs/TAFs, and NOTAMs in one place nicely organized:
https://weatheredstrip.com

[Fly0nTheWall]

For those who haven't seen it, this is a great Canadian aviation weather site that I've been using frequently. It doesn't have everything (like radar and satellite) but it has GFAs, METARs/TAFs, and NOTAMs in one place nicely organized:
https://weatheredstrip.com

Ouu, that is nice! That's going straight to my bookmarks. Thanks for the recommend!

[MyWave]

I'd love to send the link for Weathered Strip to 'service at navcanada.ca'.
I'm curious why a guy in Quebec can make such a useful and free (for now) website when the full might of the Canadian Government can't.
Or won't.

[kevenv]

I'd love to send the link for Weathered Strip to 'service at navcanada.ca'.
I'm curious why a guy in Quebec can make such a useful and free (for now) website when the full might of the Canadian Government can't.
Or won't.

Nav Canada is not the Canadian Government.

[goingnowherefast]

I'd love to send the link for Weathered Strip to 'service at navcanada.ca'.
I'm curious why a guy in Quebec can make such a useful and free (for now) website when the full might of the Canadian Government can't.
Or won't.

NavCanada doesn't actually care about pilots or the customers. Why should they? They don't have any real competition. Sure some foreign airlines can just avoid our airspace, but that's about it. It's run by a bunch of committees trying to figure out the short term cheapest way to offer an air navigation service thats just barely safe enough to avoid liability and bad PR.

NavCanada doesn't care one bit that their weather website is garbage. If they could get away with it, there would be no weather website at all. The less traffic their site sees, the less money they need to put into IT infrastructure.

The FSS folks hate the site too, but they're stuck with it. The front line specialists and controllers feel our pain too.

[Prodriver]

I they keep Notaming PPR for airports like Kelowna, we won't need a WX product, CYYC, CYVR and now CYLW, unbelievable.

[goingnowherefast]

Entities like NavCanada are known as an Air Navigation Service Provider. The term Air Navigation Service Denier. Is more appropriate.

I'm not blaming the front like controllers and specialists. They're just doing the best they can with the inadequate tools and resources available. This fully lands on NavCanada management. They have provided one of the most expensive and lowest service products imaginable. Way too many middle-management busy-bodies looking for efficiencies and places to cut service when they need to just look in the mirror for the inefficiency and hire more controllers to actually get the work done.

[‘Bob’]

I they keep Notaming PPR for airports like Kelowna, we won't need a WX product, CYYC, CYVR and now CYLW, unbelievable.

How is airport construction Nav Canada’s fault?

How would you better handle a busy mixed use airport where you have to backtrack arrivals and/or departures on the only runway?

About as logical as protesting in Ottawa for provincial and foreign legislation, but I digress…

[Prodriver]

Good point Bob, I get it, but I'm becoming fatigued with this mind set. The sad part is the two big ones have have runways that they are not using, CYYC R26 and CYVR R13, in the Kelowna case, they need to try harder, use holds, hdg's etc. Stop pushing it out to the pilots!

[ricardoaratani]

For those using CFPS and want to be able to hide NOTAMs you've already seen, check this out: Cfps Enhancer (for Google Chrome only).

[BigQ]

Question for those using the Pilot Weather App. (android version)

Since the beginning of the year approx, the app is having trouble fetching the TAF data from many airports (not just canadian). Any idea what's causing it, and if there is anything to mitigate settings-wise, or do I just need to switch to a different app?

[linecrew]

Soooo it looks like the AWWS site is back

https://awws.beta.navcanada.ca/cgi-bin/ ... peDoc=html

[Gonzodriver]

Soooo it looks like the AWWS site is back

https://awws.beta.navcanada.ca/cgi-bin/ ... peDoc=html

You'd think Nav Can would have posted it on their social media. Hopefully they will keep it around.