737 Overstaffed

[PittBoss]

Internal company news. 737 fleet well staffed Captain and FO's. Last GS this month. And done with 737.

Looks like job market will stabilize soon.

[Me262]

How come every company is looking for pilots including AC, meanwhile WJ is overstaffed? Or is WJ paying 130k USD for first year FO and 200k USD for Capt and I'm not aware?

[fish4life]

Most likely the same reason Southwest and some other US carriers have stopped / slowed hiring. Boeing issues and can’t get the 737’s they were supposed to.

[Canadaflyer46]

If WJ was hurting from lack of Boeing deliveries you can bet they’d be whining about it publically to drive down a deal for Max-8s. This has not been an airline of any growth for some time. Hence the 11 year upgrades. They’re in financial hibernation now until the merger/IPO goes through IMHO.

[Hysteria]

Is the upgrade wait time in YEG the same as YYC? 15ish?

[phenix]

Is the upgrade wait time in YEG the same as YYC? 15ish?

The most junior Captain in YYC was hired in March 2014, and July 2014 for YEG. That doesn't presume the future wait time but so far, it is pretty close.

[Livinthedream87]

How come every company is looking for pilots including AC, meanwhile WJ is overstaffed? Or is WJ paying 130k USD for first year FO and 200k USD for Capt and I'm not aware?

Just a guess since I have no direct info on this but could be due to the surplus of ppl coming onboard from WG as well as Boeing delays?

[boeingboy]

How come every company is looking for pilots including AC, meanwhile WJ is overstaffed? Or is WJ paying 130k USD for first year FO and 200k USD for Capt and I'm not aware?

Just a guess since I have no direct info on this but could be due to the surplus of ppl coming onboard from WG as well as Boeing delays?

Bingo!

If WJ was hurting from lack of Boeing deliveries you can bet they’d be whining about it publically to drive down a deal for Max-8s.

Westjet is being affected by Boeing delays......they dont have enough aircraft to cover all the Sunwing flying.

[goingnowherefast]

Wikipedia shows over 100 737 orders. What I don't know is delivery dates and if they're replacements for retiring NGs or growth.

WJ did a massive withdrawal from Eastern Canada. I'm guessing it's a combination of max delivery issues and merger. Both of those are why the airline is stagnating.

Is Sunwing coming with enough pilots for their planes? Are they understaffed, or adequate?

[RockSalty]

Wikipedia shows over 100 737 orders. What I don't know is delivery dates and if they're replacements for retiring NGs or growth.

WJ did a massive withdrawal from Eastern Canada. I'm guessing it's a combination of max delivery issues and merger. Both of those are why the airline is stagnating.

Is Sunwing coming with enough pilots for their planes? Are they understaffed, or adequate?

Sunwing is bringing far more pilots than they need with that many airplanes

[Canadaflyer46]

Wikipedia shows over 100 737 orders. What I don't know is delivery dates and if they're replacements for retiring NGs or growth.

WJ did a massive withdrawal from Eastern Canada. I'm guessing it's a combination of max delivery issues and merger. Both of those are why the airline is stagnating.

Is Sunwing coming with enough pilots for their planes? Are they understaffed, or adequate?

Sunwing is bringing far more pilots than they need with that many airplanes

Out of interest how many of these are cadets with less than 1500 hours/no ATPL who won’t be allowed to work at WJ and will be probably facing layoff? Or are the cadets a very small amount?

[780Pilot]

Internal company news. 737 fleet well staffed Captain and FO's. Last GS this month. And done with 737.

Looks like job market will stabilize soon.

The training memo sent a few days ago said GS in May, August, and September. So May is not the last initial 737 course for the year.

[ant_321]

Wikipedia shows over 100 737 orders. What I don't know is delivery dates and if they're replacements for retiring NGs or growth.

WJ did a massive withdrawal from Eastern Canada. I'm guessing it's a combination of max delivery issues and merger. Both of those are why the airline is stagnating.

Is Sunwing coming with enough pilots for their planes? Are they understaffed, or adequate?

Sunwing is bringing far more pilots than they need with that many airplanes

Out of interest how many of these are cadets with less than 1500 hours/no ATPL who won’t be allowed to work at WJ and will be probably facing layoff? Or are the cadets a very small amount?

Won’t be allowed. lol. Says who? I worked at a place where they required 3000 hrs to be captain, until one day they didn’t. Requirements change all the time.

[Canadaflyer46]

Sunwing is bringing far more pilots than they need with that many airplanes

Out of interest how many of these are cadets with less than 1500 hours/no ATPL who won’t be allowed to work at WJ and will be probably facing layoff? Or are the cadets a very small amount?

Won’t be allowed. lol. Says who? I worked at a place where they required 3000 hrs to be captain, until one day they didn’t. Requirements change all the time.

Won’t happen. 1500 hours and ATPL is laid out in all our manuals. WJ doesn’t need the pilots. They’re not going to change all their requirements and pay the extra insurance just to make sure everyone gets a seat. They’ll use the merger as an excuse to right size. Same with getting rid of the AR program.
The backlash from ALPA alone over cadets would be enough to put an end to that plan.

[Canpilot7]

Out of interest how many of these are cadets with less than 1500 hours/no ATPL who won’t be allowed to work at WJ and will be probably facing layoff? Or are the cadets a very small amount?

Won’t be allowed. lol. Says who? I worked at a place where they required 3000 hrs to be captain, until one day they didn’t. Requirements change all the time.

Won’t happen. 1500 hours and ATPL is laid out in all our manuals. WJ doesn’t need the pilots. They’re not going to change all their requirements and pay the extra insurance just to make sure everyone gets a seat. They’ll use the merger as an excuse to right size. Same with getting rid of the AR program.
The backlash from ALPA alone over cadets would be enough to put an end to that plan.

First merger eh?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Won’t be allowed. lol. Says who? I worked at a place where they required 3000 hrs to be captain, until one day they didn’t. Requirements change all the time.

Won’t happen. 1500 hours and ATPL is laid out in all our manuals. WJ doesn’t need the pilots. They’re not going to change all their requirements and pay the extra insurance just to make sure everyone gets a seat. They’ll use the merger as an excuse to right size. Same with getting rid of the AR program.
The backlash from ALPA alone over cadets would be enough to put an end to that plan.

First merger eh?

[ant_321]

Out of interest how many of these are cadets with less than 1500 hours/no ATPL who won’t be allowed to work at WJ and will be probably facing layoff? Or are the cadets a very small amount?

Won’t be allowed. lol. Says who? I worked at a place where they required 3000 hrs to be captain, until one day they didn’t. Requirements change all the time.

Won’t happen. 1500 hours and ATPL is laid out in all our manuals. WJ doesn’t need the pilots. They’re not going to change all their requirements and pay the extra insurance just to make sure everyone gets a seat. They’ll use the merger as an excuse to right size. Same with getting rid of the AR program.
The backlash from ALPA alone over cadets would be enough to put an end to that plan.

Oh so the big barrier is a slight change to an insurance plan and a slight change in a manual. You know, like the kind of thing that happens several times a year. Gotcha.

[Canadaflyer46]

Guess we’ll see when the dust settles. Every ALPA rep I’ve had the chance to speak to says that they’ll oppose any reduction in experience levels. WestJet certainly doesn’t need pilots. And by all accounts Sunwing is overstaffed. WJ is offering zero hour blocks every month right now.

[JBI]

Internal company news. 737 fleet well staffed Captain and FO's. Last GS this month. And done with 737.

Looks like job market will stabilize soon.

The training memo sent a few days ago said GS in May, August, and September. So May is not the last initial 737 course for the year.

Don't let silly facts get in the way of a good AvCan b!tch session

[BigQ]

Guess we’ll see when the dust settles. Every ALPA rep I’ve had the chance to speak to says that they’ll oppose any reduction in experience levels. WestJet certainly doesn’t need pilots. And by all accounts Sunwing is overstaffed. WJ is offering zero hour blocks every month right now.

If 1500 hours is the WS minimum, I can assure you most WG cadets are either already above, or very close, to that level. We hired many of our cadets in the 750-1200TT range last year and, well, we usually fly 500-800hrs per year. By April 2025, should be no problem to say that 99% of them will have crossed that threshold.

I wonder how a merge that aims to have a union take over another union will happen if a small minority of that latter union isn't accepted as "part of the package". Especially if that minority has what are now considered "senior FOs" that keep on passing PPCs every single year.

[Oleo 4]

This post is coming off the rails pretty fast. Lost of emotion driving personal opinion vs factual information depending on what colour of tail you presently fly. I'll chime in here as a WestJet pilot who does work within the training department to say that the cadet program Sunwing offers should NOT be discounted as we integrate. As mentioned earlier most of the cadets have most likely surpassed 1500-1600 hours. We have hired a few pilots direct to WestJet at 1600 hours ourselves. What should be understood and studied is the frame work Sunwing has utilized to safely onboard these pilots and the guard rails they have successfully built to ensure a pilot with very little experience is able to understand the complexities of a medium sized swept wing jet in a large area of operation.

The pilot shortage is still present, the amount of commercial licenses being issued nation wide in Canada yearly is not keeping up to the demand in the market place for experienced pilots. Eventually all companies will have to utilize a grassroots movement to ensure their respective pipelines are producing candidates on top of attracting tenured pilots.

The team on the second floor looking at integration will undoubtedly study what is and what may be looking into 2025.

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[dontcallmeshirley]

The pilot shortage is still present, the amount of commercial licenses being issued nation wide in Canada yearly is not keeping up to the demand in the market place for experienced pilots. Eventually all companies will have to utilize a grassroots movement to ensure their respective pipelines are producing candidates on top of attracting tenured pilots.

Encore is being told that WestJet is adequately staffed and that there will be no flow until the end of 2025.

[digits_]

The pilot shortage is still present, the amount of commercial licenses being issued nation wide in Canada yearly is not keeping up to the demand in the market place for experienced pilots. Eventually all companies will have to utilize a grassroots movement to ensure their respective pipelines are producing candidates on top of attracting tenured pilots.

Encore is being told that WestJet is adequately staffed and that there will be no flow until the end of 2025.

I don't think anyone doubts there won't be flow until the end of 2025... Now if it's because of the reason stated, that's a whole other discussion

[Turboprops]

As mentioned earlier most of the cadets have most likely surpassed 1500-1600 hours. We have hired a few pilots direct to WestJet at 1600 hours ourselves.

There’s a lot of FOs at sunwing that don’t have ATPLs. Friend was in Sunwing gs a few months ago, half of the class were cadets and he didn’t have his ATPL either. ATPL is not a requirement to get hired there

[nohojob]

There is also a PICUS program. So that helps.